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Just how were Australia so good?

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FFS just look at their best lineup...Hayden,Langer,Ponting,Mark Waugh,Damien Martyn, Steve Waugh, Gilchrist, McGrath, Warne...

 

How were they so ahead of the game? Bear in mind this was in 2000, and even in 2018 India can't match 10% of this lineup. How were Australia so smart? How did they across all these players? To top it all of, they had a cerebral leader in Steve Waugh.

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State and Country cricket academy's under the head ship of Rod Marsh had a lot to do with it .

They blooded most of those guys young in State cricket from the academies which were a new thing to cricket at that time. 

During the off Australian season they sent them off to England, Scotland and Ireland  to learn how to be cricket professionals and men but under their academies guidance. This was fairly new then 

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51 minutes ago, lamellavig said:

FFS just look at their best lineup...Hayden,Langer,Ponting,Mark Waugh,Damien Martyn, Steve Waugh, Gilchrist, McGrath, Warne...

 

How were they so ahead of the game? Bear in mind this was in 2000, and even in 2018 India can't match 10% of this lineup. How were Australia so smart? How did they across all these players? To top it all of, they had a cerebral leader in Steve Waugh.

Not to forget likes of gillispie, Lee, slater, symonds, damien Fleming, bichel, kasprovicz, McGill,are severely underrated 

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39 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Dont think any lneup matches that invincible xi even in years to come,strong in every department

There bowling was so good that they.could get a side all out two times under 200(aggregate)

They had so much confidence in their bowler that once Steve Waugh played as 4th bowler in SA

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Culture : An appropriation of everything from team selection, performance accountability and the insatiable hunger to win. 

 

 

Steve Waugh before the 4th test in 1999 West Indies tour drops Shane Warne for the 4th test. He tells Warne you're not playing much to the latter shock. 

 

I'm the captain. You're not playing. And he goes on to win the 4th test and draws the series 2-2.

 

The ability to do the best for the team irrespective of any repercussions and backlashes that you may have to face. 

 

India has still a very very long way to go to emulate this.

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  • Fitness levels (here when the culture has started many experts are crying foul over yo-yo)
  • their domestic cricket was really really strong. Once i think imran khan said he played in their domestic n it felt like playing international cricket. They have 6 teams so the competition was high. Look at our duleep trophy ....trundler bowling. Challenger has been scrapped. 
  • They choose match winners and backed them . And all were at their peeek 
  • They didnt have conservative attitude like us....the safe approach. 

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51 minutes ago, bhakum20 said:

Luck. Many champion players came together at the right time. 

 

 

Yes after 10 years of Aussie decline I feel the same. If it was for planning they would be having a great team even now.

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It is no secret that it had quite a few of ATG level players such as Gilly, McGrath, Warner, etc., playing at the same time .... and these players were spread across various departments 

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Besides their excellent infra & grassroots system as well as administration, there is some element of chance/luck when u got so many great cricketers playing at the same time. McGrath & Warne both are just so far above the norm. One holds the highest wickets for quicks until Anderson moves ahead this game, the other 2nd highest for spinners. 

 

Not dismissing the greatness of Ponting, Gilly & others, but the two bowlers make it to some all time best XI more often than others.

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They have a better sporting culture for cricket than other cricket playing nations.

Also the planets have to be alingned very favorably for that to happen.

WI who are the biggest threat care less and less about cricket. Their tall young players would prefer BBall over cricket anyday.

England is a football crazy nation and just dont get the right talent for cricket.

Australia has lot of good athletes that they can compete in cricket. Australians are good all around but not really dominant in very competitive sports like football but still they are very impressive.

With advent of IPL India has become impressive too.

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19 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Besides their excellent infra & grassroots system as well as administration, there is some element of chance/luck when u got so many great cricketers playing at the same time. McGrath & Warne both are just so far above the norm. One holds the highest wickets for quicks until Anderson moves ahead this game, the other 2nd highest for spinners. 

 

Not dismissing the greatness of Ponting, Gilly & others, but the two bowlers make it to some all time best XI more often than others.

McGrath yes but Warne was a rouge cricketer.

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Their core players had guts and were street fighters.They had abilty to fight and over time developed confidence and aura which was passed on to incoming players.

 

Even mediocre players like Bichel performed above their abilities.Other than Kohli none of the players have the fighting spirit in this Indian team.Aussies had Waugh, Warne , Punter and Mcgrath.Same thing with 1980s WI team, Lloyd ,Gomes along with their fast bowlers had that fighting spirit.

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These kind of cricketers are not produced in domestic level cricket or by any coaches. That was pure luck. Having ATG players at the same time, and almost all of them in the same age bracket to play together as a team for a long time. Also, the reason for their never die attitude was competition. There were more than one talented batsmen waiting to replace players in the team. So, obviously all of them tried performing all the time. 

It isnt such a difficult job for a new player to fit in, when all the other team members are performing well and he doesnt have the pressure to carry the weight of the team.

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We (Australia) being a small nation population wise and a young nation as well, have learnt to be competitive in sports, we have a sporting culture and a great sporting infrastructure, it helps that in Australia there is hardly any corruption and from the time we are kids we are given a choice of sports to participate in.

 

The best facilities are available to us as kids, and most Aussies love to be outdoors, it also helps we have a good lifestyle, good public healthcare etc. When coaches etc notice a kid is good at a particular sport or sports they are encouraged to try it and then given elite coaching and facilities. If you notice at the Olympics, or any other sports we are always competitive we are always participating.

 

Not sure what it's like in India, but here in Australia we are encouraged to take up any sport we want no matter how obscure it is, even Kabbidi now is starting up slowly. We are breed to be competitive and to give it a go no matter what.

 

 

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Forget Australia of 2000s ... we are yet to match India of 2000s.  The steel is still missing

 

You need an unselfish leadership at the top for the team to do well.. There may be short term setbacks but long term we will reap the benefits.  Australia after the retirement of Chappell/Lillee/Marsh went on a decline for 3 years.. After 1987 worldcup,they never looked back  

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The early 2000's were a great time for Aussie sport I guess - Cathy Freeman, Thorpe, lleyton Hewitt, viduka and Cahill, damn strong hockey team which in 02 beat India and Pakistan, Mark Webber etc . Sporting culture peaked about then I suppose. Don't think they will ever reach those heights again. 

 

With respect to cricket, again they had phenomenal talent coming through and I think general public interest in cricket was high too. But im pretty sure that only Warne and Gilly were freaks who came through despite the system , but the rest were definitely a product of the robust domestic cricket which was extremely competitive( with only 6 teams - Ranji can never compete with that unless drastic reforms are introduced ) . Australian pitches also played a part I guess. Wickets were fast and bouncy which rewarded batters who had good technique, spinners who gave it the hardest rip and fast bowlers who hit the deck hard etc.  And sheer knowledge was vastly superior to an other country's. In terms of fast bowling, they were correcting Lee's action way back in 2001 and getting him to run straighter and get an efficient action to avoid injury etc. We are atleast 20 years behind the curve as only in this under 19 world cup did I see bowlers coached properly and with efficient actions,run up etc. 

 

We can do that too actually. In 2004, SA reformed their domestic. and reduced it from 11 to 6 teams and soon we started seeing very strong Saffer sides from 07 onwards despite kolpak deals and quotas etc .

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