Pant has passed first test with flying colors

[Stan AF]

No.

 

Can't write off anything this soon. His drop is still costing India dearly and that is a huge minus.

[Stan AF]

Is that a missed stumping???

[Clarke]

OP continues his time honored tradition 

[zen]

WK is a specialist position so the top tier glove man should get the job. In 1990, More dropped Gooch, who went on to score 333 

 

As aforementioned, give Pant the whole series to settle down. He is bound to have a few good and few bad performances. He needs to be given the confidence

 

In tests, since Ind is struggling in batting. Besides WK, there are batting positions as well for which he can be considered for. He does not necessarily have to compete with Saha 

[vayuu1]

3 hours ago, Stan AF said:

No.

 

Can't write off anything this soon. His drop is still costing India dearly and that is a huge minus.

Oh Bhai, did you saw that despite being wrong footed he went for it and almost took it, these things are part and parcel of the game,karthik wouldn't have even gone for it, look at how much the attitude of team  has changed since his arrival, earlier their was so much negativity, now you can see difference that's what youth brings. 

[Gollum]

Batting: Loose outside off stump, predominantly leg side player which won't work against good attacks. Fearless, talented shot maker and age on his side, sky's the limit but hard work non negotiable. 

 

Keeping: Poor footwork, poor anticipation but sharp reflexes and agile body. His wrong footedness has to be solved however, once he loses his reflexes and/or fitness he won't be able to compensate. Still a work in progress, maybe I am being too harsh because my mind goes back to Saha. He will most definitely never reach that level but doesn't need to with higher ceiling with the bat.  

 

I will keep him in the test squad all the time, TM can take the call about who to slot in the final XI. But I wish he spends some quality time with Saha who is quite old at almost 34 years age and won't be around for long. Pant should be Saha's understudy for keeping just like how Gilly was Healy's. He won't find a better mentor than Saha who is not only technically perfect but also very genial. Also hours and hours of keeping to our bowlers (esp the spinners) in nets is essential. In ODIs/T20s he should be a regular, ahead of Dhoni/DK but those formats don't demand excellent glovesmen...especially in modern day cricket where he will be lucky to gather 20 balls in a 50 over innings. Test cricket OTOH is where he will learn the art of keeping in its purest form. 

 

Also fitness is paramount, test keeper has to be the fittest member of the squad, no question. His body frame suggest he will develop a gut if he slackens even a little. He should never develop a belly, others can get away with it...not the keeper. Not in test cricket where he will have to do uthak baithak 540 times a day and still conserve energy to launch into spring mode in the final hour of day's play, most unforgiving position on the cricket field. 

Edited August 21, 2018 by Gollum

[zen]

Saha is in the last phase of his career therefore sooner or later, he would need to be replaced. It would be nice to have both Saha and Pant in the squad .... I am confident that with experience and hard work, Pant can improve both in batting and keeping 

Edited August 22, 2018 by zen

[anish2tweet]

Batting: Loose outside off stump, predominantly leg side player which won't work against good attacks. Fearless, talented shot maker and age on his side, sky's the limit but hard work non negotiable. 
 
Keeping: Poor footwork, poor anticipation but sharp reflexes and agile body. His wrong footedness has to be solved however, once he loses his reflexes and/or fitness he won't be able to compensate. Still a work in progress, maybe I am being too harsh because my mind goes back to Saha. He will most definitely never reach that level but doesn't need to with higher ceiling with the bat.  
 
I will keep him in the test squad all the time, TM can take the call about who to slot in the final XI. But I wish he spends some quality time with Saha who is quite old at almost 34 years age and won't be around for long. Pant should be Saha's understudy for keeping just like how Gilly was Healy's. He won't find a better mentor than Saha who is not only technically perfect but also very genial. Also hours and hours of keeping to our bowlers (esp the spinners) in nets is essential. In ODIs/T20s he should be a regular, ahead of Dhoni/DK but those formats don't demand excellent glovesmen...especially in modern day cricket where he will be lucky to gather 20 balls in a 50 over innings. Test cricket OTOH is where he will learn the art of keeping in its purest form. 
 
Also fitness is paramount, test keeper has to be the fittest member of the squad, no question. His body frame suggest he will develop a gut if he slackens even a little. He should never develop a belly, others can get away with it...not the keeper. Not in test cricket where he will have to do uthak baithak 540 times a day and still conserve energy to launch into spring mode in the final hour of day's play, most unforgiving position on the cricket field. 

I am surprised when he grew up,no coach told him about his wrong footedness.

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[vayuu1]

Batting: Loose outside off stump, predominantly leg side player which won't work against good attacks. Fearless, talented shot maker and age on his side, sky's the limit but hard work non negotiable. 
 
Keeping: Poor footwork, poor anticipation but sharp reflexes and agile body. His wrong footedness has to be solved however, once he loses his reflexes and/or fitness he won't be able to compensate. Still a work in progress, maybe I am being too harsh because my mind goes back to Saha. He will most definitely never reach that level but doesn't need to with higher ceiling with the bat.  
 
I will keep him in the test squad all the time, TM can take the call about who to slot in the final XI. But I wish he spends some quality time with Saha who is quite old at almost 34 years age and won't be around for long. Pant should be Saha's understudy for keeping just like how Gilly was Healy's. He won't find a better mentor than Saha who is not only technically perfect but also very genial. Also hours and hours of keeping to our bowlers (esp the spinners) in nets is essential. In ODIs/T20s he should be a regular, ahead of Dhoni/DK but those formats don't demand excellent glovesmen...especially in modern day cricket where he will be lucky to gather 20 balls in a 50 over innings. Test cricket OTOH is where he will learn the art of keeping in its purest form. 
 
Also fitness is paramount, test keeper has to be the fittest member of the squad, no question. His body frame suggest he will develop a gut if he slackens even a little. He should never develop a belly, others can get away with it...not the keeper. Not in test cricket where he will have to do uthak baithak 540 times a day and still conserve energy to launch into spring mode in the final hour of day's play, most unforgiving position on the cricket field. 

Yes he prefers legside but that doesn't mean he can't score outside off he is called Mr 360 for reason ,coming to his keeping ,if he had poor footwork and anticipation, he would not have been able to take that catch of woakes ala karthik in both innings and couple of diving catches, you know it is difficult job keeping in England coz balls swing not just in front of stumps but after passing bat as well, yes he is a work in progress but to just call him poor with bat, especially after that gritty knock he played in the first innings, and poor with the gloves when he has taken 7 catches of which 3 were tough ones plus attempting a difficult chance though agree it was error in judgement, is quite bizzare ,for his first outing the lad has created quite an impression, and he will only get better, plus you could see that his presence has lifted the whole moral of the fielding of India, as fielders have taken some outstanding catches in particular Kohli and Rahul.

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[vayuu1]

And about the fitness part the guy works hard, those who have seen him in Delhi cricket, or with dd can tell you that the lad not only work hard on his fitness but on his diet as well, as far as dedication is concerned during last year ipl his father died and during cremation he got burns on his hands yet not only he came back but scored a 50 as well that tells you about his commitment only 2 guys before him has done this ,Sachin Tendulkar and virat Kohli.

 

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[Gollum]

3 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

Yes he prefers legside but that doesn't mean he can't score outside off he is called Mr 360 for reason ,coming to his keeping ,if he had poor footwork and anticipation, he would not have been able to take that catch of woakes ala karthik in both innings and couple of diving catches, you know it is difficult job keeping in England coz balls swing not just in front of stumps but after passing bat as well, yes he is a work in progress but to just call him poor with bat, especially after that gritty knock he played in the first innings, and poor with the gloves when he has taken 7 catches of which 3 were tough ones plus attempting a difficult chance though agree it was error in judgement, is quite bizzare ,for his first outing the lad has created quite an impression, and he will only get better, plus you could see that his presence has lifted the whole moral of the fielding of India, as fielders have taken some outstanding catches in particular Kohli and Rahul.

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Even DK was supposedly Mr 360, we must save these gimmicks and title-baazi for IPL and other circus leagues. Pant has a weakness outside off and he has to improve, no running away from that fact.

 

I didn't call him poor with bat or gloves, read again. When you do a SWOT type analysis you have to take into account both strengths and weaknesses. Everybody has weaknesses but doesn't mean they can't be high performers. Pant must strive to work on his flaws and improve his strengths.

3 hours ago, vayuu1 said:

And about the fitness part the guy works hard, those who have seen him in Delhi cricket, or with dd can tell you that the lad not only work hard on his fitness but on his diet as well, as far as dedication is concerned during last year ipl his father died and during cremation he got burns on his hands yet not only he came back but scored a 50 as well that tells you about his commitment only 2 guys before him has done this ,Sachin Tendulkar and virat Kohli.

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That part was more of a precaution than complaint. His body frame means he will pile on the pounds if he isn't careful. Keepers can never get away with a protruding gut. Good to know that he works hard on his diet and fitness, long may it continue.

[G_B_]

10 hours ago, Gollum said:

Batting: Loose outside off stump, predominantly leg side player which won't work against good attacks. Fearless, talented shot maker and age on his side, sky's the limit but hard work non negotiable. 

 

Keeping: Poor footwork, poor anticipation but sharp reflexes and agile body. His wrong footedness has to be solved however, once he loses his reflexes and/or fitness he won't be able to compensate. Still a work in progress, maybe I am being too harsh because my mind goes back to Saha. He will most definitely never reach that level but doesn't need to with higher ceiling with the bat.  

 

I will keep him in the test squad all the time, TM can take the call about who to slot in the final XI. But I wish he spends some quality time with Saha who is quite old at almost 34 years age and won't be around for long. Pant should be Saha's understudy for keeping just like how Gilly was Healy's. He won't find a better mentor than Saha who is not only technically perfect but also very genial. Also hours and hours of keeping to our bowlers (esp the spinners) in nets is essential. In ODIs/T20s he should be a regular, ahead of Dhoni/DK but those formats don't demand excellent glovesmen...especially in modern day cricket where he will be lucky to gather 20 balls in a 50 over innings. Test cricket OTOH is where he will learn the art of keeping in its purest form. 

 

Also fitness is paramount, test keeper has to be the fittest member of the squad, no question. His body frame suggest he will develop a gut if he slackens even a little. He should never develop a belly, others can get away with it...not the keeper. Not in test cricket where he will have to do uthak baithak 540 times a day and still conserve energy to launch into spring mode in the final hour of day's play, most unforgiving position on the cricket field. 

nail on head.

 

But he is young enough to work on his flaws.

[Vilander]

Dropped Butler on 1. When England were 65 odd for -4 , Butler went on to make a 100.  Pant was wrong footed. 

 

This could have meant a draw or a game lost if the second innings target was a 350 or 400 like it ususally is, you dont always get a 500 second innings target. 

 

So there is some work there.

[Vilander]

Need Saha back as soon as possible for Aus tour.

[Laaloo]

In before the trolls infest, let me say it was a bad innings by pant. Hope he does better next inning.

[Vilander]

0(29) sucked the momentum out of the inning, slow batter...not able to cope with test class bowling on a flat english wicket.

[FreakazoiD]

The guy has looked clueless in test cricket in the 3 innings he has batted this series. Managed to slog his way to 21 in his first innings but has looked like a walking wicket ever since. Should bat below Pandya and Ashwin. 

[velu]

5 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

In before the trolls infest, let me say it was a bad innings by pant. Hope he does better next inning.

 

[Vilander]

D Karthik cant be worse than this guy in batting atleast. When saha comes back he needs to replace him.

[beetle]

He will do better.