People want us to believe it's a massive loss - Virat Kohli

[Texy]

if we  performed like this in our jobs we would've been fired long time ago

Edited February 24, 2020 by Texy

[sandsaims]

Kohli is right, people are over reacting..... they just lost a test match and probably will lose the next one too but we need to remember they are using this as a warm up for the IPL. 

[Cricwala]

I generally try to avoid generalisations, but seeing a definite case for putting college-educated, grounded individuals in leadership positions of our sports teams. Just make a rule - NO Superstar player can be captain of India.

 

Let's see the list of our better captains/coaches/cricketers-turned selectors & administrators - 

 

1.) Ajit wadekar (Ruia college educated, down to earth, NOT best player in side + he was one of the best coaches we produced as well)

2.) Ganguly (college educated, again NOT best player)

3.) Dravid (college educated + NOT best player in team)

4.) Kumble (engineer + overcame personal limitations to conquer SENA + he is probably the most cerebral cricketer India has produced, who has continued exploring ways to use technology in the game after retirement - https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/anil-kumbles-startup-brings-ai-cricket-launches-power-bat-89819

 

Dhoni had strength of mind to deliver 3 ICC trophies, but absolutely ruined our test cricket, and along with Srini Mama destroyed the semi-professional culture we had painstakingly built in Ganguly-Dravid-Kumble era with help of administrators like Dalmia, coaches like Wright, Kirsten, Chappell (yes, even him...dropping in 2005 Ganguly was a bold and correct call, wish some coach-selector shows same gumption with Dhoni), selectors like More, Vengsarkar.

 

College rounds you out, gives you a better perspective on dealing with different personality types & usually ensures u don't suffer from insecurities and complexes more talented but lesser educated people are susceptible to.

 

Kohli is arguably the most self-obsessed, immature superstar cricketer we have ever seen.

[nevada]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Ganguly needs to get on the phone/WA right now and give this delusional, arrogant skipper a dressing-down. Enough is enough, don't want to play, pack your *ing bags and leave. You aren't doing any favour to India, remember that.

 

No shame

No passion

No inspiration

No aggression

 

Or Dada should ask this guy to give a talk to our team, Kohli specifically.

Fans are as pissed off as this guy after yet another inept display by captain Wrogn and team. These are the kind of matches fans look forward to, wait years to see if we finally exorcised the overseas demons. Who cares about bilaterals and away series won against WI, SL etc? Moreover, being ranked #1, you are expected to compete on equal terms anywhere and everywhere, not fold like a cheap tent time after time after time. 

[Sandeep99]

32 minutes ago, sandsaims said:

Kohli is right, people are over reacting..... they just lost a test match and probably will lose the next one too but we need to remember they are using this as a warm up for the IPL. 

Also that tests are I irrelevant this year 

[nevada]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

The issue here is that for most fans, Kohli has become like a pseudo goody two shoes spokesperson for the team. The last few discussions we've had about him on ICF all have been about what he has said and not about a great innings from him.

That is very telling.

Wrogn's tagline - "I play the role of a wise leader on TV but I am not one".

[Sandeep99]

45 minutes ago, Texy said:

if we  performed like this in our jobs we would've been fired long time ago

Fired? No conduct Certificate also issued to ensure we won’t find jobs forever in our life

[Gollum]

We scored 356 runs across 2 innings, that won't win a match against Afghanistan or Bangladesh anywhere on this planet, not even Mars. With 6 specialist batsmen, 2 others who have multiple test centuries...if this is what you can manage better STFU. 

[nevada]

31 minutes ago, Cricwala said:

I generally try to avoid generalisations, but seeing a definite case for putting college-educated, grounded individuals in leadership positions of our sports teams. Just make a rule - NO Superstar player can be captain of India.

 

Let's see the list of our better captains/coaches/cricketers-turned selectors & administrators - 

 

1.) Ajit wadekar (Ruia college educated, down to earth, NOT best player in side + he was one of the best coaches we produced as well)

2.) Ganguly (college educated, again NOT best player)

3.) Dravid (college educated + NOT best player in team)

4.) Kumble (engineer + overcame personal limitations to conquer SENA + he is probably the most cerebral cricketer India has produced, who has continued exploring ways to use technology in the game after retirement - https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/anil-kumbles-startup-brings-ai-cricket-launches-power-bat-89819

 

Dhoni had strength of mind to deliver 3 ICC trophies, but absolutely ruined our test cricket, and along with Srini Mama destroyed the semi-professional culture we had painstakingly built in Ganguly-Dravid-Kumble era with help of administrators like Dalmia, coaches like Wright, Kirsten, Chappell (yes, even him...dropping in 2005 Ganguly was a bold and correct call, wish some coach-selector shows same gumption with Dhoni), selectors like More, Vengsarkar.

 

College rounds you out, gives you a better perspective on dealing with different personality types & usually ensures u don't suffer from insecurities and complexes more talented but lesser educated people are susceptible to.

 

Kohli is arguably the most self-obsessed, immature superstar cricketer we have ever seen.

I doubt we will get a college educated captain anytime soon. The stakes are too high, players have to show up on the radar by under 19 itself, so they have to throw everything they have at building a cricketing career without any time for academics. Among the current lot, Ashwin has completed a Btech, so he does have educational qualification as well as a smart cricketing brain. His biggest problem is his ineffectiveness in SENA otherwise he would have been a good pick to lead the team for tests. Of course, one could point to his IPL captaincy records and say he has done nothing special but he is better than captain Wrogn.

[Cricwala]

23 minutes ago, nevada said:

I doubt we will get a college educated captain anytime soon. The stakes are too high, players have to show up on the radar by under 19 itself, so they have to throw everything they have at building a cricketing career without any time for academics. Among the current lot, Ashwin has completed a Btech, so he does have educational qualification as well as a smart cricketing brain. His biggest problem is his ineffectiveness in SENA otherwise he would have been a good pick to lead the team for tests. Of course, one could point to his IPL captaincy records and say he has done nothing special but he is better than captain Wrogn.

Selectors, folks who know these guys up close should be able to identify someone. Not Ashwin - he doesn't qualify automatically for SENA spot. 

 

From the outside, I wld go with someone like Mayank, or even Rahane (yes, he's hated by many fans... but looked good as captain in 2017 Dharamshala test + added responsibility coupled with a good coach means he cld do a decent job for 3-4 yrs, till a younger man is ready). 

 

And don't go for Gill or Shaw as next captain - as a rule, avoid the 18-19 yo prodigies. Lots of mature, educated candidates even among younger lot - Shreyas (for LOIs), KL (now that hes been through so many ups & downs, he has learnt from school of hard knocks, such people tend to be better man managers & have more empathy for other cricketers).

 

Split captaincy is a must IMO, as test specialist captain should focus entire mental energy on preparing for SENA wins - doing camps, landing early with A-team/test squad to suss out conditions, doing detailed planning with coaching staff on opposition players (make that one of the KPIs for test captain). 

 

Lets make it all about the team, once again, like it was during Ganguly-Dravid-Kumble years....if an all-format player is captain in LOI, but is normal player in tests - so be it, he shld be fine with it. S**w individual records - just target excellence in all formats. Build a system of checks and balances, minimize egos, bring self-assured but open-minded meritocratic individuals at all levels.

 

Imagine a leadership group of:  Shreyas (LOI captain), Rahane/Mayank (test captain), Kumble (coach), Agarkar (head selector), Dravid (NCA chief), Ganguly (BCCI President) - now, that cld lay the nucleus of a dominant India in this decade.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Cricwala

[waga]

3 hours ago, Vilander said:

NZ are sneaky fake feckers they do this street-smart **** and when you pummel them and show them their real place in the world they will suddenly become this small idyllic country from the edge of the world. fekers lets not have any doubts on that. Hope this spurs on the team for a good competition in the second game and hopefully some luck comes Indias way as it was one way traffic int he first game. 

dog kane was caught down leg at 89* thats just a little bit of luck

[beetle]

Arey kuch ni hua....tests are also not important this year na...

Only tonti tonti mAtters because we whitewashed in tonti tonti...

[ganeshran]

[rtmohanlal]

3 hours ago, mancalledsting said:

This was always on the cards with so many gambles within one line up; law of averages was well against us.

 

Shaw- comeback after a while and new to international scene 

 

Kohli- no warm up 

 

Rahane- been horrible for a while 

 

Pant- knocked his confidence 

 

Ashwin- well established by now that he has limited value outside Asia

 

Bumrah- just come back from long lay off 

 

Ishant- just came back from long lay off 

left out the main culprit ... one who  already has played 10 series in SENA +WI  coming into this test series .One who is supposed to play that vital bridge between openers & middle order, one on whose performance others' performance depends a lot...Pujara ..... simply not good enough for a no:3 .This, despite playing only one format all the while.

 

in the bygone era Dravid was  in that role .Now we have this once in a blue moon wonder.

 

Dictatorship of Kohli should end and that drunkard parasite should be kicked out ASAP.

Edited February 24, 2020 by rtmohanlal

[Stan AF]

You know what grinds my gears, irks me the most is that we didn't even make 200 in either innings. Hope this doesn't transform into a pattern.

[Sandeep99]

1 hour ago, Cricwala said:

Selectors, folks who know these guys up close should be able to identify someone. Not Ashwin - he doesn't qualify automatically for SENA spot. 

 

From the outside, I wld go with someone like Mayank, or even Rahane (yes, he's hated by many fans... but looked good as captain in 2017 Dharamshala test + added responsibility coupled with a good coach means he cld do a decent job for 3-4 yrs, till a younger man is ready). 

 

And don't go for Gill or Shaw as next captain - as a rule, avoid the 18-19 yo prodigies. Lots of mature, educated candidates even among younger lot - Shreyas (for LOIs), KL (now that hes been through so many ups & downs, he has learnt from school of hard knocks, such people tend to be better man managers & have more empathy for other cricketers).

 

Split captaincy is a must IMO, as test specialist captain should focus entire mental energy on preparing for SENA wins - doing camps, landing early with A-team/test squad to suss out conditions, doing detailed planning with coaching staff on opposition players (make that one of the KPIs for test captain). 

 

Lets make it all about the team, once again, like it was during Ganguly-Dravid-Kumble years....if an all-format player is captain in LOI, but is normal player in tests - so be it, he shld be fine with it. S**w individual records - just target excellence in all formats. Build a system of checks and balances, minimize egos, bring self-assured but open-minded meritocratic individuals at all levels.

 

Imagine a leadership group of:  Shreyas (LOI captain), Rahane/Mayank (test captain), Kumble (coach), Agarkar (head selector), Dravid (NCA chief), Ganguly (BCCI President) - now, that cld lay the nucleus of a dominant India in this decade.

You make way too much sense.. expect this to go right off the concerned people’s heads

[FischerTal]

Ben stokes.........

[Sean Bradley]

After eons i felt like watching our 90's team unfold like a pack of cards all over again. Sachin Tendulkar, then the best batsman was relived from his captaincy duties to focus on his core job better. Its high time that we implement the same strategy under the able guidance of Ganguly. These comments are outright silly and portrays the mindset of captain and the coach. 

[GautiMaan]

3 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

After eons i felt like watching our 90's team unfold like a pack of cards all over again. Sachin Tendulkar, then the best batsman was relived from his captaincy duties to focus on his core job better. Its high time that we implement the same strategy under the able guidance of Ganguly. These comments are outright silly and portrays the mindset of captain and the coach. 

Dada has to fight battles with icc as well,someone like Robin Singh/Gambhir could be bought in to rein in these clowns

 

[SRT100]

Gosh Kohli is running away and pretending nothing happened in the 1st Test.

 

I like how he said it doesnt matter if he scores not much but India win. Its a pity he didnt apply that mindset before trying to screw Pant's career and others.