People want us to believe it's a massive loss - Virat Kohli

[Vilander]

Just now, nevada said:

NZ needs to do just one and one thing only - show up on the ground to play.

if the pitch suits their need exactly like this game and if the Indian batsmen dont have stomach for a bitter grind yes.

[raki05]

7 minutes ago, Vilander said:

NZ are sneaky fake feckers they do this street-smart **** and when you pummel them and show them their real place in the world they will suddenly become this small idyllic country from the edge of the world. fekers lets not have any doubts on that. Hope this spurs on the team for a good competition in the second game and hopefully some luck comes Indias way as it was one way traffic int he first game. 

I agree with all this...but first of all why fall in such situations...isn't it the same story in all Sena tour. Isn't it the same guy who said we shouldn't crib about toss and pitch what happened to those big talks.

[nevada]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

if the pitch suits their need exactly like this game and if the Indian batsmen dont have stomach for a bitter grind yes.

Yes, very disappointing. If at-least one batsman had scored big in the third innings and got us a lead of 150, it would have been a semi-respectable loss. They couldn't even do that.

[Vilander]

Just now, raki05 said:

I agree with all this...but first of all why fall in such situations...isn't it the same story in all Sena tour. Isn't it the same guy who said we shouldn't crib about toss and pitch what happened to those big talks.

no its worse this test match they did not compete, in every other sena series not withstanding the result they always competed. I think Kohli knows it but wants his troops to be ready for a fight second time and not fold timidly. Those guys there need to fight it out and i can empathize with Kohli as to why he is saying what he is saying ( while i dont agree its a *ing massive capitulation its not the right time now to rue over it, the team needs to fight for their honor next game )

[nevada]

13 minutes ago, Vilander said:

NZ are sneaky fake feckers they do this street-smart **** and when you pummel them and show them their real place in the world they will suddenly become this small idyllic country from the edge of the world. fekers lets not have any doubts on that. Hope this spurs on the team for a good competition in the second game and hopefully some luck comes Indias way as it was one way traffic int he first game. 

I feel this way about England. Michael Vaughan showed his true colours after we lost the semis. 

NZ is always an underdog(on paper), but they somehow punch above their weight and have outwitted us time and again. I don't find them sneaky or fake, they are just smart.

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, nevada said:

Yes, very disappointing. If at-least one batsman had scored big in the third innings and got us a lead of 150, it would have been a semi-respectable loss. They couldn't even do that.

when Sachin comes to form you will see runs scored behind the stumps ( all in control) when Dravid comes to form you will see blunting of bowlers who will have the most lateral movement in the session. It was quite a mental game with those two, its what makes test cricket so brutal. Obviously some of the greatest test players revelled in adversity, these players need to search for their reasons now. With skill on offer that we know off they might yet script a turn around who knows. 

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, nevada said:

I feel this way about England. Michael Vaughan showed his true colours after we lost the semis. 

NZ is always an underdog(on paper), but they somehow punch above their weight and have outwitted us time and again. I don't find them sneaky or fake, they are just smart.

Eng are a team to beat NZ are under stated but tricky. 

[Vilander]

Just now, Vilander said:

Eng are a team to beat NZ are under stated but tricky. 

meaning there is no sneak about Stokes and buttler and gang , you know **** is going to get real. 

[nitinbwj]

BC ..it IS a massive loss. You were rolled over in just over 3 days, beaten black and blue in ODI’s and spanked in this Test Match.You are also going to get smashed in the next test match.

STFU, own up the loss, toil hard, make some sensible selections and stop your post match nonsense talk. Makes me wanna come there and smack some sense in you. If you don’t feel like playing for India, step down. 

[R!TTER]

14 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Isn't it the same guy who said we shouldn't crib about toss and pitch what happened to those big talks.

The same *wit who says this is the best Indian team ever, I think you'll find him drowsing in his own sea of piss booze right about now 

[Vilander]

3 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

BC ..it IS a massive loss. You were rolled over in just over 3 days, beaten black and blue in ODI’s and spanked in this Test Match.You are also going to get smashed in the next test match.

STFU, own up the loss, toil hard, make some sensible selections and stop your post match nonsense talk. Makes me wanna come there and smack some sense in you. If you don’t feel like playing for India, step down. 

bhai he is talking about NZ ex players trying to play mind games with it, while admitting it is a big loss

[Vickydev]

25 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Guys see the whole video till the end and get the context before commenting. He is talking about NZ media and erstwhile players making a huge deal about this loss to gain advantage for the Christchurch game ( you might say they dont need it from the evidence of first game but no NZ are not that good). He is not speaking about Indian fans. People should not get on a witch hunt lol.

But I hope this fires him up. Playing it down won't help. He is at his best when the opposition tries to get under his skin. He and Bumrah were the real dissapointment in this test in terms of their attitude and Bumrah is also facing questions. Both need the kick up their a**

[mancalledsting]

This was always on the cards with so many gambles within one line up; law of averages was well against us.

 

Shaw- comeback after a while and new to international scene 

 

Kohli- no warm up 

 

Rahane- been horrible for a while 

 

Pant- knocked his confidence 

 

Ashwin- well established by now that he has limited value outside Asia

 

Bumrah- just come back from long lay off 

 

Ishant- just came back from long lay off 

[Mariyam]

Virat is not wrong wrogn. Its not a loss at all.

 

We won the first 5 games of this tour, NZ are likely to end up winning the last 5.

 

All fittoos.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Mariyam

[Mariyam]

59 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Guys see the whole video till the end and get the context before commenting. He is talking about NZ media and erstwhile players making a huge deal about this loss to gain advantage for the Christchurch game ( you might say they dont need it from the evidence of first game but no NZ are not that good). He is not speaking about Indian fans. People should not get on a witch hunt lol.

The issue here is that for most fans, Kohli has become like a pseudo goody two shoes spokesperson for the team. The last few discussions we've had about him on ICF all have been about what he has said and not about a great innings from him.

That is very telling.

[Cricwala]

OK, heres the full video of the post-match press conference:

 

 

 

The question was asked by a white reporter - "For many in squad it was their first loss, for others it will be the biggest loss they faced. So how do you handle mental side of things going into Christchurch?" Pretty standard question, no malice or the sort of mind games we know Western media is capable of. Imagine how a Paine, Finch, Morgan, Kumble wld answer such a question - they wld show far greater maturity.

 

And then an Indian reporter asks a similar question in Hindi "Do you think losing on 4th morning and not being able to stretch match to 5th day makes the loss even more disappointing?" to which Wrogn's answer is "A loss is a loss, now if you want to make a 'batangad' (mountain out of a molehill), that's ur choice".

 

Kohli seems more upset being questioned about the loss, than the actual loss itself. A similar petulant attitude was seen after SA & Eng series loss. Just man up and say, "Yes, these are challenging conditions for us, and we need to pull our socks up as a unit and make those tiny adjustments we are capable of to succeed. We assure our fans that we will come back hard to try & level the series." instead of crap like "we have learnt how to take pitch or toss out of equation, and play our game...thats what we will continue to do."

 

For too long, he's been talking about external noise, dressing room is different - this virus of completely dismissing critical questions started from Dhoni era. Yes, many in our media are lowlives just looking for salacious gossip, or morons looking to run our own team down. But u can't be dismissive of ALL genuine questions using that excuse! With Bewda-Rat combo, u get the feeling that their main opponents are their informed critics within India, rather than opposition teams. Anyone who doesn't buy their kool-aid that this is 'best Indian touring team ever" is an enemy agent trying to sabotage the team from within. Kohli is living in a dangerous bubble, and this kind of denial will prevent us from overcoming the flaws in our cricket visible to any neutral observer with knowledge of the game.

 

Honestly, Kohli is now starting to hate Indian fans with best interests of Indian cricket at heart - the ones who know all too well the mind games played by Anglo-Saxon world, and who passionately stood by him when he took on Aussies in 'brain fade', sledging; but who don't bow down before him and Bewda. He is far more enamoured with earning goodwill of Pakistani fans, being seen as an international cricket ambassador.....this petulant man-child doesn't deserve to be captain, period.

 

 

 

Edited February 24, 2020 by Cricwala

[Vilander]

8 minutes ago, Cricwala said:

OK, heres the full video of the post-match press conference:

 

 

 

The question was asked by a white reporter - "For many in squad it was their first loss, for others it will be the biggest loss they faced. So how do you handle mental side of things going into Christchurch?" Pretty standard question, no malice or the sort of mind games we know Western media is capable of. Imagine how a Paine, Finch, Morgan, Kumble wld answer such a question - they wld show far greater maturity.

 

And then an Indian reporter asks a similar question in Hindi "Do you think losing on 4th morning and not being able to stretch match to 5th day makes the loss even more disappointing?" to which Wrogn's answer is "A loss is a loss, now if you want to make a 'batangad' (mountain out of a molehill), that's ur choice".

 

Kohli seems more upset being questioned about the loss, than the actual loss itself. A similar petulant attitude was seen after SA & Eng series loss. Just man up and say, "Yes, these are challenging conditions for us, and we need to pull our socks up as a unit and make those tiny adjustments we are capable of to succeed. We assure our fans that we will come back hard to try & level the series." instead of crap like "we have learnt how to take pitch or toss out of equation, and play our game...thats what we will continue to do."

 

For too long, he's been talking about external noise, dressing room is different - this virus of completely dismissing critical questions started from Dhoni era. Yes, many in our media are lowlives just looking for salacious gossip, or morons looking to run our own team down. But u can't be dismissive of ALL genuine questions using that excuse! With Bewda-Rat combo, u get the feeling that their main opponents are their informed critics within India, rather than opposition teams. Anyone who doesn't buy their kool-aid that this is 'best Indian touring team ever" is an enemy agent trying to sabotage the team from within. Kohli is living in a dangerous bubble, and this kind of denial will prevent us from overcoming the flaws in our cricket visible to any neutral observer with knowledge of the game.

 

Honestly, Kohli is now starting to hate Indian fans with best interests of Indian cricket at heart - the ones who know all too well the mind games played by Anglo-Saxon world, and who passionately stood by him when he took on Aussies in 'brain fade', sledging; but who don't bow down before him and Bewda. He is far more enamoured with earning goodwill of Pakistani fans, being seen as an international cricket ambassador.....this petulant man-child doesn't deserve to be captain, period.

 

 

 

Incessive. 

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, Cricwala said:

Honestly, Kohli is now starting to hate Indian fans with best interests of Indian cricket at heart - the ones who know all too well the mind games played by Anglo-Saxon world, and who passionately stood by him when he took on Aussies in 'brain fade', sledging; but who don't bow down before him and Bewda.

Honestly Kohli is done, this next match's outcome as much as the "process" will determine whether we go half a step forward or two steps back, especially after he gives up captaincy or cricket altogether.

 

His legacy is borderline Misbah like right now, which means he's done more harm than good for Indian cricket in the long run given his conservative attitude as captain & more than a handful of questionable selections/decisions at the toss leading to massive losses in SA, Eng then CT & the WC.

[Sandeep99]

Chadarmod, it’s not a massive loss? 10

wicket loss after conceding less than 350. Abe gadhe, just develop some sharam. Useless piece of ****. Aur jaake karlo nanganaach anushka ke saath 

[Mosher]

No.1 test team played like minnows. It is a massive loss. Hope the team comes all guns blazing next game and shows some fight.