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23 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Wait you pulled out all stats but now you're saying interpretation is not everybody's forte :lol: Its plain and simple. You can't keep someone not in a purple patch for 2 years. He is no Smith, Root, Kohli, Williamson. FFS he is not even a Cook or Dravid type wearing opposition out. His last great series was in Aus 18-19


Again relying on logical fallacies (or stats not your forte). Below has been explained multiple times in one way or the other :dontknow: 

 

a) his last “great” series was in 2018-19: as if people have such ATG series all the time and as if Pujara has to always come up with ATG level series, while ignoring his contributions in recent series in Aus where he had the most 50+ scores for Ind, while serving as a virtual opener in first two tests w/ Shaw and Mayank failing (this happened just a few weeks ago)

 

b) he is not even wearing opposition out: again the stats you posted has the information. A SR of 37 implies that he is wearing the opposition down (avg of 80+ balls per inning in the top order probably adds another 10 grace runs to his avg) 

 

c) Unnecessarily tying Ashwin (or whoever) to Pujara: when Pujara has turned it around overseas with an ATG series in Aus (you also accepted that) with series in Eng (already discussed on this thread), the recent series in Aus (only a few weeks ago as discussed), while also doing relatively well in tough conditions in NZ (got out to mostly good balls)

 

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3 minutes ago, zen said:


Again relying on logical fallacies (or stats not your forte). Below has been explained multiple times in one way or the other :dontknow: 

 

a) his last “great” series was in 2018-19: as if people have such ATG series all the time and as if Pujara has to always come up with ATG level series, while ignoring his contributions in recent series in Aus where he had the most 50+ scores for Ind, while serving as a virtual opener in first two tests w/ Shaw and Mayank failing (this happened just a few weeks ago)

 

b) he is not even wearing opposition out: again the stats you posted has the information. A SR of 37 implies that he is wearing the opposition down (avg of 80+ balls per inning in the top order adds another 10 grace runs to his avg) 

 

c) Unnecessarily tying Ashwin (or whoever) to Pujara: when Pujara has turned it around overseas with a ATG series in Aus with series in Eng (data posted on this thread), the recent series in Aus (as discussed), while also doing relatively well in tough conditions in NZ (got out to mostly good balls)

 

 

Nobody's buying your BS anymore zen. give it a rest. how many threads you created - this one, count dracula pujara, pujara test captain :lol:

Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Nobody's buying your BS anymore zen. give it a rest. how many threads you created - this one, count dracula pujara, pujara test captain :lol:


true cricket fans do (and would if not now, later) :bow:

 

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Posted
Just now, Real McCoy said:

So "true" cricket fans buy your BS? If so, I don't want to be with that crowd :laugh:


Buddy, I have faith in you too! 

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@Real McCoy 
 

In a way at their respective peaks, Pujara in tests is like Dhoni in ODIs. Both of them make use of their limitations to put on that extra mile for the team, becoming highly impactful  ... Other such cricketers include Steve Waugh

 

Don’t forget that both of them would be at CSK :p:

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

His resilience is appreciable but performance also needs to be taken into account, no? OP has been hyper critical of Ashwin's performance (count me as guilty as well. Only @Gollum has supported Ashwin totally) but doesn't apply the same rules to Pujara

Me and @Ankit_sharma03, Ankit bhai and I have same wavelength when it comes to backing as well as opposing many players....like Ashwin, KLR, (against) Dhawan in tests/T20s.....

Posted
19 minutes ago, zen said:

@Real McCoy 
 

In a way at their respective peaks, Pujara in tests is like Dhoni in ODIs. Both of them make use of their limitations to put on that extra mile for the team, becoming highly impactful  ... Other such cricketers include Steve Waugh

 

Don’t forget that both of them would be at CSK :p:

 

 

Yeah Uthappa is with them too. fight for the wooden spoon continues. last time we didnt win it. this time we will.

With everything there is a time. Dhoni post 2016 was toast. He even told the media that he wasn't able to nudge the singles early on which was part and parcel of his ODI game hence the lunging habit started. In his prime, guy gets into a run a ball innings with his 1s and 2s and takes calculated risks against weaker bowlers.

Pujara's time is also ticking. His spin playing is pathetic at the moment. He makes Lyon and Leach look like Warne and Murali. He is maybe good for this Eng series but may not be for the next Aus series. If he does play in Australia next time around, he will be broken down like the big 3 were in 11-12.

Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Pujara's time is also ticking. His spin playing is pathetic at the moment. He makes Lyon and Leach look like Warne and Murali. He is maybe good for this Eng series but may not be for the next Aus series. If he does play in Australia next time around, he will be broken down like the big 3 were in 11-12.


If Pujara is not playing well (way past his best), he can be phased out ... I am not sure if we are at that stage yet esp. looking at options 

 

For e.g. Shaw and Mayank had the opportunity to make it count in Aus but Pujara ended up becoming the virtual opener in the first two tests. As we know, the test for youngsters begins after their game is analyzed by the opposition. For guys like Pujara, who is the pillar, all types of analysis have been done. Teams know what his strengths are, what fields to set, where to bowl most of the time, and so on, so to be able to succeed despite that (at times when he is not at his best too) and when entering the last stage of his career is commendable 

 

 

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Unbelievable that way too many threads have been created in ICF to glorify the achievements of this free falling legend who has been on consistent decline since our 2018 tour of Aus.

I used to wonder if all these threads were being created by Pujara himself in disguise. 

Not sure if there were these many threads even for our Fab 3 test batsmen (Sachin, Dravid and Laxman) who were 100 times better than puji.

Posted
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
Washington Sundar 2021-2021 4 6 2 265 96* 66.25 502 52.78 0 3 2 31 5  
RG Sharma 2019-2021 14 22 2 1225 212 61.25 2032 60.28 4 3 0 148 28
KL Rahul 2019-2021 4 7 1 338 127* 56.33 771 43.83 1 1 0 42 1
RA Jadeja 2019-2021 13 16 5 556 91 50.54 1016 54.72 0 6 0 50 11
MA Agarwal 2019-2021 12 20 0 857 243 42.85 1556 55.07 3 2 1 104 18
AM Rahane 2019-2021 20 32 4 1165 115 41.60 2501 46.58 3 6 2 131 6
V Kohli 2019-2021 17 26 2 976 254* 40.66 1828 53.39 2 5 5 112 3
RR Pant 2019-2021 14 21 2 732 101 38.52 1087 67.34 1 4 0 83 17
GH Vihari 2019-2021 8 14 2 457 111 38.08 1008 45.33 1 3 0 64 1
Shubman Gill 2020-2021 8 15 2 414 91 31.84 741 55.87 0 3 2 54 5
CA Pujara 2019-2021 20 33 1 866 81 27.06 2408 35.96 0 9 3 106 3
SN Thakur 2021-2021 2 3 0 69 67 23.00 124 55.64 0 1 1 9 2
R Ashwin 2019-2021 14 18 2 324 106 20.25 686 47.23 1 0 2 41 2
WP Saha 2019-2020 6 6 1 87 24 17.40 151 57.61 0 0 0 12 0
PP Shaw 2020-2020 3 6 0 102 54 17.00 142 71.83 0 1 1 14 1

 

 

Given a choice @zen will drop Jadeja because is a spinner also, but give all matches to Pujara.

Posted
4 hours ago, Frustrated said:

Unbelievable that way too many threads have been created in ICF to glorify the achievements of this free falling legend who has been on consistent decline since our 2018 tour of Aus.

I used to wonder if all these threads were being created by Pujara himself in disguise. 

Not sure if there were these many threads even for our Fab 3 test batsmen (Sachin, Dravid and Laxman) who were 100 times better than puji.

There are, by same particular individual to glorify Pujara and finding fault on those 3 on different matrix customized and created as per suited agenda.

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