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How do you rate the Fab 4 (Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman and Ganguly playing together) v their equivalent (at least 4 good batsmen playing together for other teams)? 

 

Overall v major teams excl BD & Zim

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
V Sehwag 2001-2008 40 69 1 3802 319 55.91 4814 78.97 11 11 4 535 41  
R Dravid 1996-2008 74 130 14 5885 270 50.73 14259 41.27 15 27 2 738 7  
SR Tendulkar 1996-2008 74 128 10 5872 241* 49.76 10762 54.56 16 30 10 791 24  
VVS Laxman 1996-2008 74 123 18 5080 281 48.38 10229 49.66 9 31 8 665 3  
SC Ganguly 1996-2008 74 125 10 4031 144 35.05 7941 50.76 5 23 8 491 28

 

 

Ind's performance 

 

Overall figures
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS  
India 1996-2008 74 21 26 0 27 0.807 35.57 3.18 134 705 81

 

^ Overall, the W/L ratio is 0.8

 

 

Other teams v Ind

 

Overall figures
Team Span Mat Won Lost Tied Draw W/L Ave RPO Inns HS LS  
New Zealand 2002-2003 3 2 0 0 1 - 27.35 2.65 6 340 94  
South Africa 1996-2008 12 6 2 0 4 3.000 39.02 3.21 24 563 84  
Australia 1998-2008 20 8 7 0 5 1.142 39.91 3.47 38 577 181  
Pakistan 1999-2007 11 4 4 0 3 1.000 35.98 3.43 21 679 172  
Sri Lanka 1999-2008 6 2 2 0 2 1.000 37.18 3.15 9 600 136  
West Indies 1997-2002 12 3 3 0 6 1.000 33.37 2.81 20 629 140  
England 2001-2007 10 1 3 0 6 0.333 36.84 3.31 19 617 198

 

^ Only Eng has a below par W/L record v Ind

 

 

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SRT's best was in 2 halves. One was 1993-2001/2002 and the second was from 2007/2008-mid 2011 (SA series). in that period, he was the most consistent and durable player I've seen. Of course, I am not referring to match-winning knocks because one can identify likes of VVS and Sehwag (in SC) and Dravid more often. Those were good days - 5 amazing players out of top 6 and gambhir had 2-3 golden years as well.

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Good to see how some have rated the Fab 4 v each other, however the thread is more on rating the Fab 4 as a group ... In Ind's history, we probably never had such 4 (or more as Sehwag played in 40 of those 74 tests) good batsmen playing together for so long ... How would you rate the Fab 4 (played together for a staggering 74 tests) v other such combinations including:

 

  • Haynes, Greenidge, Richards, Lloyd 
  • Hayden, Ponting, S Waugh, Gilchrist
  • Smith, Amla/Gibbs, Kallis, ABDV 
  • Jayasuriya, Atapattu, Sangakkara, Jayawardene 
  • and so on 

 

 

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3 hours ago, zen said:

Good to see how some have rated the Fab 4 v each other, however the thread is more on rating the Fab 4 as a group ... In Ind's history, we probably never had such 4 (or more as Sehwag played in 40 of those 74 tests) good batsmen playing together for so long ... How would you rate the Fab 4 (played together for a staggering 74 tests) v other such combinations including:

 

  • Haynes, Greenidge, Richards, Lloyd 
  • Hayden, Ponting, S Waugh, Gilchrist
  • Smith, Amla/Gibbs, Kallis, ABDV 
  • Jayasuriya, Atapattu, Sangakkara, Jayawardene 
  • and so on 

 

 

First, since Fab 4 were middle order, I think it's more instructive to look at middle orders. On that note, Ind was definitely better than the Sri Lankas (who mostly did diddly squat abroad barring Sanga). The Oz middle order was certainly stronger (Oz had Martyn, Gilly, Ponting, Waugh, and so on; even Hodge and Lehmann were excellent). WI actually didn't have that great a middle order in the 70s and 80s (Lloyd & Richards; that's about it along with richardson) - their ATG middle order, which is possibly one of the best ever, was actually in the 1960s. Three W's, Sobers, and Kanhai. 3 people with avg > 55, and 2 with nearly 50. beast middle order. Eng also had a very strong middle order when Ken "The Wall" Barrington was playing. Aus team of 30s was top tier with people like Ponsford and Bradman. SA had three greats in Amla, ABDV and Kallis, but their peaks didn't exactly coincide.

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1 hour ago, Vijy said:

First, since Fab 4 were middle order, I think it's more instructive to look at middle orders. On that note, Ind was definitely better than the Sri Lankas (who mostly did diddly squat abroad barring Sanga). The Oz middle order was certainly stronger (Oz had Martyn, Gilly, Ponting, Waugh, and so on; even Hodge and Lehmann were excellent). WI actually didn't have that great a middle order in the 70s and 80s (Lloyd & Richards; that's about it along with richardson) - their ATG middle order, which is possibly one of the best ever, was actually in the 1960s. Three W's, Sobers, and Kanhai. 3 people with avg > 55, and 2 with nearly 50. beast middle order. Eng also had a very strong middle order when Ken "The Wall" Barrington was playing. Aus team of 30s was top tier with people like Ponsford and Bradman. SA had three greats in Amla, ABDV and Kallis, but their peaks didn't exactly coincide.


That is the type of response I was looking for!

 

Dravid was a top order batsman (#1-3), while Laxman batted in top order too at times. At any given point (unless one of them opened too like Laxman did in Aus - that 167), 3 will be in the middle order (#4-7). But for the discussion purpose, I would include any 4 (or more) good batsmen that played together 

 

I would probably rate the Fab 4 above the SL order too. Not too sure about over the rest 

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