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putrevus Grand Master

putrevus

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8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Pandya has done quite well whenever he got the chance to bat overs like in Australia this year he batted at 6. In T20s, he and pant are two batsmen who can bash spin well unlike likes of Kohli, Rahul. So they are for sure suited in middle overs of 6-16 overs.

I completely disagree .he is not a natural striker nor does he have arsenal of strokes to be consistent at number 4 in any format. Jadeja who is such a limited stroke player has overoverwhemled him innings in same Australia series.

 

In odis he simply is not good enough. Stop hyping this guy into something he is not.He was useful in shorter formats if he bowled but once his bowling is not there , there are much better options than him. The problem I have with him is he has not evolved into anything.That is why he still remains purely a bits and pieces player.

 

Pant is not suited for middle order in shorter formats, he should have been made to open in shorter formats.

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vvvslaxman Grand Master

vvvslaxman

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29 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I completely disagree .he is not a natural striker nor does he have arsenal of strokes to be consistent at number 4 in any format. Jadeja who is such a limited stroke player has overoverwhemled him innings in same Australia series.

 

In odis he simply is not good enough. Stop hyping this guy into something he is not.He was useful in shorter formats if he bowled but once his bowling is not there , there are much better options than him. The problem I have with him is he has not evolved into anything.That is why he still remains purely a bits and pieces player.

 

Pant is not suited for middle order in shorter formats, he should have been made to open in shorter formats.

 

if anything he has regressed.  Another aspect is highly injury prone. You cannot build a team around him.  Got injured around world cup 2019.  Then again played this world t20 with injury.  

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Pollack Mentor

Pollack

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2 hours ago, zen said:

And lastly, world cup stats against the seeded teams in the group (against whom SDP batted):

 

View overall figures 
Primary team India 
Opposition team Afghanistan  or New Zealand  or Pakistan 
Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2021 
Trophy ICC Men's T20 World Cup 
Ordered by batting strike rate (descending)

 

Overall figures
Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
HH Pandya 3 3 1 69 35* 34.50 45 153.33 0 0 0 7 2  
RG Sharma 3 3 0 88 74 29.33 62 141.93 0 1 1 9 4  
SA Yadav 2 1 0 11 11 11.00 8 137.50 0 0 0 1 1  
RR Pant 3 3 1 78 39 39.00 62 125.80 0 0 0 3 5  
B Kumar 1 1 1 5 5* - 4 125.00 0 0 0 0 0  
KL Rahul 3 3 0 90 69 30.00 72 125.00 0 1 0 9 2  
RA Jadeja 3 2 1 39 26* 39.00 32 121.87 0 0 0 3 1  
V Kohli 3 2 0 66 57 33.00 66 100.00 0 1 0 5 1  
Ishan Kishan 1 1 0 4 4 4.00 8 50.00 0 0 0 1 0  
SN Thakur 2 1 0 0 0 0.00 3 0.00 0 0 1 0 0  
Mohammed Shami 3 2 2 0 0* - 0 - 0 0 0 0 0

 

 

SDP :hatsoff:

 

If SDP had come in earlier v Pak, who knows Ind could have got to 170+. If SDP had come earlier v NZ, Ind may not have been 48/4 and 70/5, with him playing his natural game with confidence of knowing that Ind has wkts in hand :no: 

Nicely sneaking in Afghanistan into stats. Afghanistan is a minnow team.

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putrevus Grand Master

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35 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

if anything he has regressed.  Another aspect is highly injury prone. You cannot build a team around him.  Got injured around world cup 2019.  Then again played this world t20 with injury.  

Injuries, I can understand.But with his frame and bowling action it is always bound to happen. That is why he needed to evolve into a batsman for that to happen he needed to go to back to domestic cricket and improve. Rahul did it.To become a better batsman he had to play FC cricket but he hardly seems to have time for it.

 

He is done, I don;t think there is anything left of him.He has always been overrrated but had some value now that small value is also gone.

 

Warner is a prime example of guy who started as pure T20 hack but has evolved in legitmate great opener of this era in all formats.You need to evolve as player.Even after playing international cricket for so long Pandya is still a bits and pieces player.

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Try_Ball Newbie

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It's quite a sad state of affairs in Indian cricket when India has to depend on players like Pandya to be an all rounder and get 3-4 overs out of him which he cannot do. Not mentioning the horrendous 10-20 off runs he scores off edges and nicks. 

Its disheartening when you realize that at one time, even Sachin and Sehwag were bowling 6-8 overs in an ODI despite scoring centuries and not being all rounders per se but this Hardik guy knows what the expectations from him are and he isn't a batsman and needs to bowl a minimum of 4 overs Ina t20 and expected for 8 to 10 in an ODI he can't. 

On the other hand Sachin and Sehwag were ever eager and useful with rolling their arm in any situation and being that extra 6th and 7th option. Oh how has India regressed. And despite being in a much better coaching, nutrition and rehab state that these guys get, its a shame how much these guys take the BCCI for a ride. 

And when Pandya is asked to roll his arm in a WC of all places, this fool 

 

mad homer simpson GIF

 

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maniac Grand Master

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2 minutes ago, Try_Ball said:

It's quite a sad state of affairs in Indian cricket when India has to depend on players like Pandya to be an all rounder and get 3-4 overs out of him which he cannot do. Not mentioning the horrendous 10-20 off runs he scores off edges and nicks. 

Its disheartening when you realize that at one time, even Sachin and Sehwag were bowling 6-8 overs in an ODI despite scoring centuries and not being all rounders per se but this Hardik guy knows what the expectations from him are and he isn't a batsman and needs to bowl a minimum of 4 overs Ina t20 and expected for 8 to 10 in an ODI he can't. 

On the other hand Sachin and Sehwag were ever eager and useful with rolling their arm in any situation and being that extra 6th and 7th option. Oh how we've regressed. 

And when Pandya is asked to roll his arm in a WC of all places, this fool 

 

mad homer simpson GIF

 


forget 6-7: Sachin,Yuvi,Dada,all played as proper 5th bowlers on many occasions. Sachin was actually our 5th bowler in 1992 WC, Dada in England or in India when he opened bowling with Srinath so we could play 4 spinners :laugh1:, Yuvi in 2011 WC etc.

 

I think even Raina might have played as a proper 5th bowler under MSD in a game. 

Sehwag was on bowling ability much superior to all those names above bar Sachin maybe. However he was always 6th bowler because we had presence of most of those names in the combos he played. 
 

 

look at those names just as multi-dimensional cricketers and not just as batsmen and compare them to the only one we supposedly have now- Hardik Pandya and put that in context. Answer is self explanatory.

 

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vvvslaxman Grand Master

vvvslaxman

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28 minutes ago, Try_Ball said:

It's quite a sad state of affairs in Indian cricket when India has to depend on players like Pandya to be an all rounder and get 3-4 overs out of him which he cannot do. Not mentioning the horrendous 10-20 off runs he scores off edges and nicks. 

Its disheartening when you realize that at one time, even Sachin and Sehwag were bowling 6-8 overs in an ODI despite scoring centuries and not being all rounders per se but this Hardik guy knows what the expectations from him are and he isn't a batsman and needs to bowl a minimum of 4 overs Ina t20 and expected for 8 to 10 in an ODI he can't. 

On the other hand Sachin and Sehwag were ever eager and useful with rolling their arm in any situation and being that extra 6th and 7th option. Oh how has India regressed. And despite being in a much better coaching, nutrition and rehab state that these guys get, its a shame how much these guys take the BCCI for a ride. 

And when Pandya is asked to roll his arm in a WC of all places, this fool 

 

mad homer simpson GIF

 

 

 

My same observation. BCCI was treating him like he was  indispensable.  Finally grew a pair to drop him.  This guy and Jaddu are having time of their lives thanks to one-dimensional nature of bowlers and batsmen.  Jaddu even managed to sideline India's no.1 spinner. If Pandya had been half fit he probably would have played at the expense of Thakur in Tests. Imagine that plight.  

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putrevus Grand Master

putrevus

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24 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

My same observation. BCCI was treating him like he was  indispensable.  Finally grew a pair to drop him.  This guy and Jaddu are having time of their lives thanks to one-dimensional nature of bowlers and batsmen.  Jaddu even managed to sideline India's no.1 spinner. If Pandya had been half fit he probably would have played at the expense of Thakur in Tests. Imagine that plight.  

You cannot blame Jadeja and Pandya taking advantage of one dimesional team.Ashwin would be lead spinner if played for any other team even England in England. You have pity the TM/captain for getting stuck with one dimesional team.

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rangeelaraja Grand Master

rangeelaraja

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What goes to determine a player's selection in the national side is a combination of   -  Performance + Skill + Attitude 

 

Attitude is very underrated.

 

HP has shown himself to be no better than Afridi with the bat. A hack who will have a good day once in a while. Afridi has won several matches ( including test match) with the bat against India for his country - but that said more about India's subpar bowling than his batting ability. 

 

Then why do I say -VERY POOR MAN'S Shahid Afridi  ?

 

Thats because Afridi was a full time bowler in LOIs and part time hack with the bat. 

 

HP's bowling is unreliable and he does not have the skills of proper batsman - he knows how to play only one way and is mighty unreliable with the bat too.

 

Finally, Afridi displayed animal like vigor and aggression to win for his country. As brainless and showboatsy that he was, he did have a great intensity and hunger to win  on the field - often at all costs. 

 

Compare that to Pandya's attitude. Does anyone see  intensity in his body language or a fierce desire to win ? Or a willingness to put a high price on his wicket and determination to win games for India. ZILCH.

 

He comes across as someone who just wants to do enough to have a place in the side so as to sustain his extravagant smuggler like lifestyle. 

 

I challenge anyone to show me instances even off the field where Pandya expressed deep commitment to fulfilling a role for India with great success.

 

There is a TON of talent in India - we need to give chances to HUNGRY AND HIGHLY DRIVEN players. And HP is anything but that. He even lacks basic professionalism in his conduct and mannerisms as someone who represents / represented  the national side. 

 

With Pandya excluded from the T20 squad against NZ at home and even all the murmurs about him not likely retained by Mumbai Indians - even those who have supported him have apparently had enough of his conduct and attitude. 

 

With Dravid as Head Coach now, this disgraceful attitude will not fly at all.  I have a strong hunch, we have seen about the last of him in India colors. And thank god for that.

 

 

 

 

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zen Grand Master

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1 hour ago, Rantzz said:

Cricinfo filters at 100% capacity working now with @zen:yess:

 

 


Afridi is actually a pioneering high strike rate T20 player. Had a SR of 150 or something during his time. If SDP is an inferior Afridi, it says a lot about other Indian players, who are much poorer than SDP.

 

Afridi was MoM in 2009 F as well iirc … If we have players like both Afridi and SDP in our line up, Ind would be unstoppable in knockouts :dance:

 

 

PS when players score less than 50, which is most of the time 

 

View overall figures
Primary team India  or Pakistan  or Sri Lanka 
Opposition team Afghanistan  or Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies 
Runs scored less than or equal to 49 
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 
Ordered by batting strike rate (descending)
Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
Shahid Afridi (PAK) 2006-2016 82 76 8 1089 49 16.01 727 149.79 0 0 8 76 62  
NLTC Perera (SL) 2010-2021 75 66 20 903 49 19.63 625 144.48 0 0 8 71 41  
HH Pandya (INDIA) 2016-2021 49 34 7 515 42* 19.07 368 139.94 0 0 2 33 27  
SK Raina (INDIA) 2006-2018 68 58 9 1138 49* 23.22 883 128.87 0 0 3 109 36  
MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2006-2019 89 79 40 1456 49 37.33 1170 124.44 0 0 1 103 46  
Fakhar Zaman (PAK) 2017-2021 39 33 1 510 46 15.93 412 123.78 0 0 2 55 15  
V Kohli (INDIA) 2011-2021 59 54 6 1170 49 24.37 970 120.61 0 0 2 104 28  
Sarfaraz Ahmed (PAK) 2010-2020 46 31 6 514 46* 20.56 427 120.37 0 0 1 47 8  
KL Rahul (INDIA) 2016-2021 34 30 2 534 47 19.07 453 117.88 0 0 3 49 17  
Shoaib Malik (PAK) 2006-2021 93 83 23 1533 49 25.55 1318 116.31 0 0 1 135 27  
CK Kapugedera (SL) 2006-2017 39 34 6 612 48* 21.85 528 115.90 0 0 0 52 21  
DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 2006-2014 41 41 3 639 44 16.81 556 114.92 0 0 3 73 12  
AD Mathews (SL) 2009-2021 68 55 15 810 46 20.25 721 112.34 0 0 1 53 24  
Umar Akmal (PAK) 2009-2019 70 65 8 1063 49 18.64 953 111.54 0 0 10 77 25  
RG Sharma (INDIA) 2007-2021 83 75 6 946 43 13.71 849 111.42 0 0 6 89 35  
MDKJ Perera (SL) 2013-2021 44 43 0 673 40 15.65 607 110.87 0 0 0 62 17  
Kamran Akmal (PAK) 2006-2017 48 45 5 625 48 15.62 567 110.22 0 0 7 65 19  
S Dhawan (INDIA) 2011-2021 56 54 2 989 47 19.01 899 110.01 0 0 2 105 23  
Yuvraj Singh (INDIA) 2007-2017 47 41 5 635 41 17.63 583 108.91 0 0 1 36 34  
Babar Azam (PAK) 2016-2021 37 33 3 701 45 23.36 654 107.18 0 0 2 68 5  
Mohammad Hafeez (PAK) 2006-2021 91 82 7 1385 46 18.46 1293 107.11 0 0 7 141 32  
KC Sangakkara (SL) 2006-2014 43 41 5 798 46 22.16 746 106.97 0 0 2 75 9  
MD Shanaka (SL) 2015-2021 51 49 10 577 42* 14.79 556 103.77 0 0 7 38 27  
TM Dilshan (SL) 2006-2016 58 57 5 772 48 14.84 778 99.22 0 0 9 90 10  
Ahmed Shehzad (PAK) 2009-2019 44 44 0 727 46 16.52 747 97.32 0 0 2 79 13  
LD Chandimal (SL) 2010-2021 51 45 4 588 40* 14.34 608 96.71 0 0 0 47 13

 

 

SDP is of course expected to get even better!! Bat him in the top 4, his SR will soar even further!!!

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zen Grand Master

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SDP = best T20 high strike rate batsmen that Ind has produced so far

 

When batsmen score less than 50, which is most of the time (off the blocks quickly in most innings) ... Bat SDP in top 3-4 where he has opportunity to get big scores and watch his SR soar even further :dance: 

 
Opposition team Afghanistan  or Australia  or Bangladesh  or England  or India  or New Zealand  or Pakistan  or South Africa  or Sri Lanka  or West Indies 
Runs scored less than or equal to 49 
Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 500 

Ordered by batting strike rate (descending)

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s  
AD Russell (WI) 2011-2021 60 52 18 646 47 19.00 410 157.56 0 0 8 38 53  
DJG Sammy (WI/World) 2007-2017 61 47 18 527 42* 18.17 352 149.71 0 0 3 40 28  
NLTC Perera (SL/World) 2010-2021 78 69 21 999 49 20.81 668 149.55 0 0 8 76 49  
Shahid Afridi (ICC/PAK) 2006-2018 83 77 8 1100 49 15.94 739 148.84 0 0 8 77 62  
JA Morkel (SA) 2005-2015 47 36 11 543 43 21.72 380 142.89 0 0 1 28 37  
HH Pandya (INDIA) 2016-2021 49 34 7 515 42* 19.07 368 139.94 0 0 2 33 27  
KP Pietersen (ENG) 2005-2013 29 28 3 727 47 29.08 522 139.27 0 0 1 76 15  
MN Waller (ZIM) 2011-2018 29 28 8 506 49* 25.30 370 136.75 0 0 2 36 22  
GJ Maxwell (AUS) 2012-2021 64 58 8 900 46 18.00 671 134.12 0 0 1 71 39  
JJ Roy (ENG) 2014-2021 46 46 1 840 49 18.66 640 131.25 0 0 6 84 36  
AJ Finch (AUS) 2011-2021 64 64 6 1295 47 22.32 998 129.75 0 0 7 137 44  
DA Miller (SA/World) 2010-2021 83 71 19 1207 47 23.21 933 129.36 0 0 0 78 45  
SK Raina (INDIA) 2006-2018 68 58 9 1138 49* 23.22 883 128.87 0 0 3 109 36  
JM Bairstow (ENG) 2011-2021 56 50 9 746 47 18.19 586 127.30 0 0 5 67 32  
JC Buttler (ENG) 2011-2021 71 63 10 1055 46 19.90 831 126.95 0 0 4 88 38  
AD Hales (ENG) 2011-2019 50 50 3 933 49 19.85 735 126.93 0 0 4 105 29  
Q de Kock (SA) 2012-2021 45 45 4 1063 48* 25.92 838 126.84 0 0 2 115 36  
SR Watson (AUS) 2006-2016 47 45 4 711 47 17.34 565 125.84 0 0 3 55 35  
DA Warner (AUS) 2009-2021 65 65 2 1066 49 16.92 849 125.55 0 0 6 123 30  
C Munro (NZ) 2012-2020 50 47 3 703 49* 15.97 561 125.31 0 0 5 57 33  
E Chigumbura (ZIM) 2006-2020 47 46 5 576 48 14.04 460 125.21 0 0 5 42 29  
MS Dhoni (INDIA) 2006-2019 89 79 40 1456 49 37.33 1170 124.44 0 0 1 103 46  
Fakhar Zaman (PAK) 2017-2021 39 33 1 510 46 15.93 412 123.78 0 0 2 55 15  
AB de Villiers (SA) 2006-2017 66 64 7 1021 49 17.91 825 123.75 0 0 5 90 31  
KA Pollard (WI) 2008-2021 79 66 11 1014 49* 18.43 833 121.72 0 0 3 62 55  
V Kohli (INDIA) 2011-2021 59 54 6 1170 49 24.37 970 120.61 0 0 2 104 28  
EJG Morgan (ENG) 2009-2021 96 88 15 1437 49* 19.68 1193 120.45 0 0 3 114 56  
Sarfaraz Ahmed (PAK) 2010-2020 46 31 6 514 46* 20.56 427 120.37 0 0 1 47 8  
CL White (AUS) 2007-2014 41 38 10 625 43 22.32 522 119.73 0 0 3 41 26  
MJ Guptill (NZ) 2009-2021 82 79 0 1533 47 19.40 1281 119.67 0 0 3 157 60  
HM Amla (SA/World) 2009-2018 34 34 1 647 48 19.60 543 119.15 0 0 2 77 8  
BB McCullum (NZ) 2005-2015 50 49 2 936 49 19.91 792 118.18 0 0 2 94 32  
KL Rahul (INDIA) 2016-2021 34 30 2 534 47 19.07 453 117.88 0 0 3 49 17  
Mahmudullah (BAN) 2007-2021 75 72 19 1296 49* 24.45 1107 117.07 0 0 4 109 34  
MS Wade (AUS) 2011-2021 51 39 7 519 44 16.21 446 116.36 0 0 1 32 23  
Shoaib Malik (ICC/PAK) 2006-2021 94 84 23 1545 49 25.32 1328 116.34 0 0 1 136 27  
LRPL Taylor (NZ) 2006-2020 89 84 18 1446 48 21.90 1245 116.14 0 0 6 91 49  
CK Kapugedera (SL) 2006-2017 39 34 6 612 48* 21.85 528 115.90 0 0 0 52 21  
SPD Smith (AUS) 2010-2021 48 37 6 579 46 18.67 501 115.56 0 0 1 40 16  
DPMD Jayawardene (SL) 2006-2014 41 41 3 639 44 16.81 556 114.92 0 0 3 73 12  
N Pooran (WI) 2016-2021 40 34 3 537 46 17.32 468 114.74 0 0 2 42 27  
F du Plessis (SA/World) 2012-2020 36 36 4 664 41 20.75 579 114.68 0 0 0 61 17  
Soumya Sarkar (BAN) 2015-2021 49 49 1 663 48 13.81 582 113.91 0 0 10 65 22  
MR Marsh (AUS) 2011-2021 30 29 6 524 45 22.78 462 113.41 0 0 1 39 19  
D Ramdin (WI) 2006-2019 62 43 13 504 44 16.80 448 112.50 0 0 2 43 13  
AD Mathews (SL) 2009-2021 68 55 15 810 46 20.25 721 112.34 0 0 1 53 24  
DJ Hussey (AUS) 2008-2012 36 33 2 556 46 17.93 496 112.09 0 0 4 32 21  
Umar Akmal (PAK) 2009-2019 70 65 8 1063 49 18.64 953 111.54 0 0 10 77 25  
RG Sharma (INDIA) 2007-2021 83 75 6 946 43 13.71 849 111.42 0 0 6 89 35  
JP Duminy (SA) 2007-2019 65 60 15 1115 49 24.77 1001 111.38 0 0 6 75 36  

 

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