NASSER HUSSAIN: Old-fashioned India were way too timid and had no answer

[sage]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-11413563/NASSER-HUSSAIN-Old-fashioned-India-no-answer-England-T20-masterclass.html

 

 

The contrast between the two teams in their respective power-plays could not be more stark. I had said in these pages that India at the top of the order still play a bit of an old-fashioned game and even their former coach Ravi Shastri talked of the need for them to change when he worked for Sky last summer.

 

 

Yet they were still too timid. India must have known they would need to get an above par score against this England batting line-up yet they plodded along and if it was not for Hardik at the end they would have been way below par.

It’s not India’s personnel. It’s their mind-set. Rohit Sharma is one of the greatest white-ball batters there has ever been and KL Rahul would be in any list of the best T20 players in the world. Then add Virat Kohli, Suryakumar Yadav, Hardik and Rishabh Pant.

You are talking about an array of world-class talent and there is no way that batting line-up should have been 66 for two at the halfway mark of a T20 innings in a semi-final.

 

But Buttler got them thinking about how they should play by putting them in and it proved absolutely the right thing to do. If India had been chasing a decent total they would have had to go hard but as it was they didn’t seem to know what a good score would be.

Then India just expected Bhuvneshwar Kumar to continue the hold he has had over Jos Buttler in T20 cricket when England batted but it just didn’t happen. Together with the long levers of Hales at the other end, India had no answer.

Hales was very clever in the angles he created against Axar Patel because he angles it into the right-hander from wide of the crease so Hales was picking him up behind square on the legside. Everyone was focusing on how Suryakumar can pick the ball up from there but Hales was just as good in the way he approached and executed this.

 

 

[Vijy]

16 minutes ago, sage said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-11413563/NASSER-HUSSAIN-Old-fashioned-India-no-answer-England-T20-masterclass.html

 

 

The contrast between the two teams in their respective power-plays could not be more stark. I had said in these pages that India at the top of the order still play a bit of an old-fashioned game and even their former coach Ravi Shastri talked of the need for them to change when he worked for Sky last summer.

 

 

Yet they were still too timid. India must have known they would need to get an above par score against this England batting line-up yet they plodded along and if it was not for Hardik at the end they would have been way below par.

It’s not India’s personnel. It’s their mind-set. Rohit Sharma is one of the greatest white-ball batters there has ever been and KL Rahul would be in any list of the best T20 players in the world. Then add Virat Kohli, Suryakumar Yadav, Hardik and Rishabh Pant.

You are talking about an array of world-class talent and there is no way that batting line-up should have been 66 for two at the halfway mark of a T20 innings in a semi-final.

 

But Buttler got them thinking about how they should play by putting them in and it proved absolutely the right thing to do. If India had been chasing a decent total they would have had to go hard but as it was they didn’t seem to know what a good score would be.

Then India just expected Bhuvneshwar Kumar to continue the hold he has had over Jos Buttler in T20 cricket when England batted but it just didn’t happen. Together with the long levers of Hales at the other end, India had no answer.

Hales was very clever in the angles he created against Axar Patel because he angles it into the right-hander from wide of the crease so Hales was picking him up behind square on the legside. Everyone was focusing on how Suryakumar can pick the ball up from there but Hales was just as good in the way he approached and executed this.

 

 

wonder how much rohit and kela paid him to write these flattering lines

[IndianRenegade]

10 minutes ago, Vijy said:

wonder how much rohit and kela paid him to write these flattering lines

At least in case of Rohit he had a great WC2019. What has KL ever done except for minnow bashing & bilaterals?

Edited November 10, 2022 by IndianRenegade

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

At least in case of Rohit he had a great WC2019. What has KL ever done except for minnow bashing & bilaterals?

 

Gambhir/Dhawan type of guys are needed. I  mean mentally. Not skillwise.  Dhawan has no T20 skills. But he doesn't have this phattu mentality.  I am sure 90% of the guys would have predicted he would get out for single digit.

[Vijy]

43 minutes ago, IndianRenegade said:

At least in case of Rohit he had a great WC2019. What has KL ever done except for minnow bashing & bilaterals?

Ro's best innings that WC were not in KOs though

[Vijy]

41 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Gambhir/Dhawan type of guys are needed. I  mean mentally. Not skillwise.  Dhawan has no T20 skills. But he doesn't have this phattu mentality.  I am sure 90% of the guys would have predicted he would get out for single digit.

dhawan also failed in some notable crucial KO matches; moreover, he is not the force he used to be. in terms of mentality, gambho was very good

[IndianRenegade]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

Ro's best innings that WC were not in KOs though

Leave KOs, I am including important games like ones vs PAK & SENA countries, I think outside of KOs KL's record in ICC tounaments against Top tier countries has been poor. 

[Prabhdeep Singh]

T20 line up going forward for 2024 T20 world Cup in WI/USA:

 

Shaw

Kishan (WK)

Gill

SKY

Pandya (C)

R Bawa

R Tewatia

D Chahar

S Gopal

J Bumrah

Arshdeep

 

Retire/Drop from T20 internationals:

 

Jadeja, Rohit, KL, Ashwin, Shami, Axar, DK, Pant, Hooda, Chahal, Harshal, Kohli, B Kumar

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Another nondescript ex player turned pundit talking a load of baloney . Mindset lmao. It's the lack of personnel that's caused it

 

Mindset has little to do with it  

[Sean Bradley]

But wasnt Rohit Sharma talking about aggression, agressive approach and taking advantage of power play and what not .

 

Where did all that talk go all of a sudden? 

[R!TTER]

If RGS can't perform with the bat he will be a timid captain, very rarely would you see a failing captain win a major series just based on luck or his team mates bailing the side! Finch being a great example of this last WT20 - but he had tremendous luck on pitches that were lopsided in favor of sides batting second, RGS' luck isn't that strong

[Mosher]

6 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

But wasnt Rohit Sharma talking about aggression, agressive approach and taking advantage of power play and what not .

 

Where did all that talk go all of a sudden? 

All talk, no action. 

 

This is a damning stat posted by Laaloo in another thread

[nevada]

7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Gambhir/Dhawan type of guys are needed. I  mean mentally. Not skillwise.  Dhawan has no T20 skills. But he doesn't have this phattu mentality.  I am sure 90% of the guys would have predicted he would get out for single digit.

Present day Dhawan is past it and has turned into another stat padder.

 

19 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

But wasnt Rohit Sharma talking about aggression, agressive approach and taking advantage of power play and what not .

 

Where did all that talk go all of a sudden? 

His innings yesterday was a slow motion train wreck. This guy clearly has mental issues in big games and pulled off an embarrassing choke job. If not for Hardik's late flourish, we would have been humiliated even worse. 

[R!TTER]

Two ways too look at it - is RGS good enough for LO these days? IMO he's way past it in both T20 & ODI's - if you think ODI's can be played at a better/easier pace then you must be deluded as *, ODI are basically extended T20 these days & this fat ass can't last in the field for 50 overs

 

You think he'll bat well if we have to chase in any tight game? Then there's the problem of tests - yes I think his relatively good test form is directly responsible for his decline in LO cricket, there's exactly 1 player who's managed the transition of 3 formats seamlessly in the last 15 years & even that guy couldn't buy a run for almost 3 years now till the Asia cup! We should keep him for home tests & put him to pasture in all other formats - we ain't winning no *ing WC with him at the helm

[nevada]

48 minutes ago, Mosher said:

All talk, no action. 

 

This is a damning stat posted by Laaloo in another thread

Wow, we are just 1 place above rock bottom, even worse than I had thought! Our openers tuk tuked away the entire tournament, with the under fire Rahul even getting strong backing from Dravid. 

[Lone Wolf]

Except Pakistani experts...  No one seems to be questioning telly tubby Pace attack

[express bowling]

" It is not the personnel. It is the mindset "

 

Hussain comes up with this line 

 

Not realizing that this personnel won't and can't change their mindset.  To do it, one has to position oneself as a lower average and higher strike rate batter ... and these stars are afraid that a lower average will hurt their brand value.

 

Change of personnel is needed at the top.

[coffee_rules]

It’s open season for India bashing. Behti Ganga mein haath dho lo bhai

[Vijy]

15 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Two ways too look at it - is RGS good enough for LO these days? IMO he's way past it in both T20 & ODI's - if you think ODI's can be played at a better/easier pace then you must be deluded as *, ODI are basically extended T20 these days & this fat ass can't last in the field for 50 overs

 

You think he'll bat well if we have to chase in any tight game? Then there's the problem of tests - yes I think his relatively good test form is directly responsible for his decline in LO cricket, there's exactly 1 player who's managed the transition of 3 formats seamlessly in the last 15 years & even that guy couldn't buy a run for almost 3 years now till the Asia cup! We should keep him for home tests & put him to pasture in all other formats - we ain't winning no *ing WC with him at the helm

Fatty McFats (rohit) can't stay in the field unless you sprinkle it liberally with vada pavs, jalebis, and so on.

 

on a serious note, his reflexes are clearly declined, and he cannot play the same kind of forcing shots through the back foot that he did before.

[Vijy]

14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Except Pakistani experts...  No one seems to be questioning telly tubby Pace attack

of course, ind is land of trundlers and most take it for granted that we will play trundlers.