Are ICFers starting to run out of scapegoats to blame for Indian Cricket's issues?

[jalebi_bhai]

Right now it's Dravid and co. Hardik is no longer flavour of the month on the forum.

 

Post Dravid, you guys will find someone else.

[raki05]

Whoever will not give results especially ICC trophy would be criticized. Dravid is not going to coach forever.

[vvvslaxman]

Some of the criticisms were levelled right after squad announcement.  Some obvious blunders. No role based selection. Hardik was never flavor of the forum So was Drawit. It didn't take long to realize Drawit was going to mess up this line up.  Making KL keep, Sitting Kuldeep out, Dropping Bishnoi, Drafting Gill into T20 These are not hindsignt criticisms.

[jalebi_bhai]

1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said:

Some of the criticisms were levelled right after squad announcement.  Some obvious blunders. No role based selection. Hardik was never flavor of the forum So was Drawit. It didn't take long to realize Drawit was going to mess up this line up.  Making KL keep, Sitting Kuldeep out, Dropping Bishnoi, Drafting Gill into T20 These are not hindsignt criticisms.

I'm not defending Dravid. I knew he was going to be a massive dud after his first bilateral series as permanent coach (vs NZ).

[Suhaan]

We need a clear roadmap for t20s and odis from someone who understands the modern way and there should be no interference from seniors or their lackeys

[figo6762]

Yeah Rise of Indian Football hopefully !!!!!! KBFC!!!!!’

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

We need a clear roadmap for t20s and odis from someone who understands the modern way and there should be no interference from seniors or their lackeys

 

You have to select a strong roled based team and give them one full series.  So much ground work has to be done in identifying the squad/selecting the XI. Once  you identify it stick with it. Problem we have here is identifying squad and team. So we falter at the first step. Not enough thinking go behind their selection.  This becomes  a 3 step failure.  First identifying squad, then team, then approach.

[putrevus]

We are not far away , they did win more matches than any other team in their group. Only England on their best day can win against even if other team has their best day. To win these tournaments luck is needed too

[cowboysfan]

we are .its time to accept that a country of 1.4 billion people can only muster bowlers like Mavi,Harshal and Arshdeep.these guys wouldnt sniff the national team without IPL,they are not very good and will likely never be any good.

[Vijy]

there are plenty of scapegoats to target ranging from selectors to all coaches (not just dravid) to the captains and some of the players.

[Need4Speed]

Pak have Tait

BD have Donald

when even our neighbors hv agressive pace bowlers as coaches 

we have Mhambrey..how can we expect more than trundlers in our team..if you dont hv the mindset in the coach..

BCCI should put all the money in its a*****e.. if they cant get a fast bowling coach like them..

Edited January 6, 2023 by Need4Speed

[Need4Speed]

There were some 25/30 upcoming bowlers list icfers made sometime back and chalked out a plan about them..

I cant believe that with so much potential bowlers we are not able to get 5 more international quality bowlers from them..

its just a failure of BCCI and co..

[Tibarn]

Captain, coach, and selectors will always be roles in cricket, so they will always be there to take blame/credit. Only the names will change of who occupy the position. 

[singhvivek141]

It's a simple formula, "if you're not able to do the job, you won't be supported".

 

I don't have any problem loosing the bilaterals if it gives us an in depth view of young talents and their ceiling. 

We know the upper cap of KL, Rohit, Kohli, Bhuvi or Chahal. But if we want to follow England's T20 template we can't go with these players.

 

Umran with little backing has made a mockery of 125 kph trundlers, who were hogging the places. If Dravid and selectors can't see that..they will be ridiculed for sure.

[Vilander]

9 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

I'm not defending Dravid. I knew he was going to be a massive dud after his first bilateral series as permanent coach (vs NZ).

What is your point then ?

[Majestic]

Understand the fact here that T20 is not a priority at the moment. 

 

Tests and ODIs are and what it means is that the best players can't be playing T20s as much. Mohammad Siraj can't be forced to play all games because if he gets injured, we will struggle for a strike bowler. Bhuvi has been thankfully shown doors. You have Bumrah and Siraj in background for T20s but their priorities at the moment is ODIs. So, that leaves you with Arshdeep and Umran Malik and third pacer which is tried is Shivam Mavi at the moment.

 

India's ODI squad selection is good. Bumrah Shami Siraj Umran Arshdeep these are being selected. 

[CoverDrive]

FInally it is a systemic issue. Globally cricket nations are suffering with struggle between formats. You need depth and investment at all levels to do well in all formats. MArket forces will ensure T20 grows automatically and Longer Format will need BCCI to step in. T20 also our players suffer due to lack of global exposure being limited to IPL. 

[Vijy]

35 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Understand the fact here that T20 is not a priority at the moment. 

 

Tests and ODIs are and what it means is that the best players can't be playing T20s as much. Mohammad Siraj can't be forced to play all games because if he gets injured, we will struggle for a strike bowler. Bhuvi has been thankfully shown doors. You have Bumrah and Siraj in background for T20s but their priorities at the moment is ODIs. So, that leaves you with Arshdeep and Umran Malik and third pacer which is tried is Shivam Mavi at the moment.

 

India's ODI squad selection is good. Bumrah Shami Siraj Umran Arshdeep these are being selected. 

bowling selection quality is debatable. assdeep is not an ODI bowler based on either bowling style or list A record. shami is over the hill, and not as potent as before. bumrah, siraj, umran are a good combo.

[Majestic]

23 minutes ago, Vijy said:

bowling selection quality is debatable. assdeep is not an ODI bowler based on either bowling style or list A record. shami is over the hill, and not as potent as before. bumrah, siraj, umran are a good combo.

Shami still did well in T20 World Cup and he was integral member of ODIs so can't really drop them from ODI scheme of things. Arshdeep is the only selection influenced by T20 World Cup. In death overs, if you don't have Bumrah, he could still be a good option and being a left armer gives him an advantage upfront with new ball too.

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Shami still did well in T20 World Cup and he was integral member of ODIs so can't really drop them from ODI scheme of things. Arshdeep is the only selection influenced by T20 World Cup. In death overs, if you don't have Bumrah, he could still be a good option and being a left armer gives him an advantage upfront with new ball too.

with his lack of pace, decreasing accuracy, and no-ball problem, he is a poor backup.