Has there ever been a player who has come out smaller in knockouts than Kohli?

[Ultimate_Game]

I mean if you give any random player 10 tourneys across formats, I'm sure even someone like Manvinder Bisla, Saha, Manish Pandey or any random no-name average batsman would've fluked a knock. But hats off to Kohli for consistently coming up small in knockouts! 

 

This level of consistency has to be applauded. At least I've never seen any batsman in my lifetime, or heard of anyone who has failed so many times when it matters. At this time I'm surprised why the team picks him for knockouts, or why he himself doesn't drop out by himself 

[wanted_desi]

Can’t blame him now. You know exactly what he is capable of and yet you select him.

[Texan]

3 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Can’t blame him now. You know exactly what he is capable of and yet you select him.

Problem is BCCI no longer thinks about what is good for Indian cricket. They operate on two primary premises:

 

1. Which decision will generate less controversy and backlash?

2. Which players have strong brand backing to help with revenue generation?

 

There is absolutely no cricketing reason why Kohli should be in the team, but the above two considerations will keep him in the team until perpetuity. 

[Number]

His innings in Mumbai 23 SF against NZ was a match losing one too. It was Shreyas and Gill who put us in safe zone. Kohli in mid innings break said he thought 340 was a winning total. It didn't turn out to be that way.

 

His innings against SA in 2014 remaims his only great knock out innings.

[singhvivek141]

Blame the Chinnaswamy.

 

Those 40 m boundaries at high altitude with a flat patta gave the wrong perception to everyone.

 

Kohli's game is not to force along...he reacts to the ball. Here he was premeditating assuming is a true bounce flat patta pitch.

Edited June 27, 2024 by singhvivek141

[Jamadagni]

2011 WC Final - 35 - Very crucial partnership with Gambhir. 

2013 CT final - 43 - Highest scorer

2014 T20 WC semis - 72* 

2014 T20 WC final - 77 - Would have been match-winning if not for Yuvi. 

2016 T20 WC QF vs Australia - 80* - ATG knock

2016 T20 semis - 89* - Just check Rohit's and Rahane's innings in the same match. 

2023 WC Semis - 117 - He had a specific role in the team for that WC and did well throughout the world cup. 

2023 WC final - 54 - Compare this with the loser's knock in the partnership at the other end. Kohli was striking at 90 and did well. 

 

These are all knockout matches, and there are numerous other matches especially vs Pakistan where has done very well almost every time. 

 

This is the first ODI WC or T20 WC where he has completely failed. I'd also blame Rohit and Dravid more for this as they wanted to have that loser Dube in the XI. If Kohli was captain, he wouldn't have opened for sure. 

 

What's even this thread about?

Edited June 27, 2024 by Jamadagni

[Ultimate_Game]

25 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Blame the Chinnaswamy.

 

Those 40 m boundaries at high altitude with a flat patta gave the wrong perception to everyone.

 

Kohli's game is not to force along...he reacts to the ball. Here he was premeditating assuming is a true bounce flat patta pitch.

 

Everyone and their dog knew what'll happen in WT20, especially knockouts. Credit to Rohit, Bumrah, Kuldeep etc. who're carrying this selfish git. And he's taking up the most important spot of an opener.

 

He doesn't give a shyte about the team. It's all about him at the moment. If he could swallow his ego a bit he would go back to 3 and let someone like Jaiswal come in as opener.

[The Realist]

He's become like Eoin Morgan who was finished but kept hanging around and stinking it out.

 

End wisely decided to move on from Morgan but Ind are delusional - despite the data showing how much he is declined - and still continue to drag Kohli's corpse from one tournament to another.

[Nikhil_cric]

37 minutes ago, Number said:

His innings in Mumbai 23 SF against NZ was a match losing one too. It was Shreyas and Gill who put us in safe zone. Kohli in mid innings break said he thought 340 was a winning total. It didn't turn out to be that way.

 

His innings against SA in 2014 remaims his only great knock out innings.

 

This can't be highlighted enough. I believe he said 330 was enough from memory. 

Fans were celebrating his exploits in that World Cup .   But he was comfortably statpadding while Rohit , Iyer , Gill and even KL were taking risks to hit us to above par scores 

[Chakdephatte]

1 minute ago, The Realist said:

He's become like Eoin Morgan who was finished but kept hanging around and stinking it out.

 

End wisely decided to move on from Morgan but Ind are delusional - despite the data showing how much he is declined - and still continue to drag Kohli's corpse from one tournament to another.

Morgan retired on his own. And England didn't even cross the league stage in that World Cup. What a terrible example.

[upriser7]

1 hour ago, Jamadagni said:

2011 WC Final - 35 - Very crucial partnership with Gambhir. 

2013 CT final - 43 - Highest scorer

2014 T20 WC semis - 72* 

2014 T20 WC final - 77 - Would have been match-winning if not for Yuvi. 

2016 T20 WC QF vs Australia - 80* - ATG knock

2016 T20 semis - 89* - Just check Rohit's and Rahane's innings in the same match. 

2023 WC Semis - 117 - He had a specific role in the team for that WC and did well throughout the world cup. 

2023 WC final - 54 - Compare this with the loser's knock in the partnership at the other end. Kohli was striking at 90 and did well. 

 

These are all knockout matches, and there are numerous other matches especially vs Pakistan where has done very well almost every time. 

 

This is the first ODI WC or T20 WC where he has completely failed. I'd also blame Rohit and Dravid more for this as they wanted to have that loser Dube in the XI. If Kohli was captain, he wouldn't have opened for sure. 

 

What's even this thread about?

you cannot have a rational conversation about Kohli in this forum. It's just extreme hyperbole.

[adi B]

As bad as he has been , Kohli might be needed in the finals against Rabada,Jansen, Nortje !

I'll take a 25 of 20 type of Innings from him right now given how he is struggling atm 

[deathmonger]

Kohli has had many great KO matches. Team *ed up.

 

2014 final, 2016 semi.

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, Jamadagni said:

2011 WC Final - 35 - Very crucial partnership with Gambhir. 

2013 CT final - 43 - Highest scorer

2014 T20 WC semis - 72* 

2014 T20 WC final - 77 - Would have been match-winning if not for Yuvi. 

2016 T20 WC QF vs Australia - 80* - ATG knock

2016 T20 semis - 89* - Just check Rohit's and Rahane's innings in the same match. 

2023 WC Semis - 117 - He had a specific role in the team for that WC and did well throughout the world cup. 

2023 WC final - 54 - Compare this with the loser's knock in the partnership at the other end. Kohli was striking at 90 and did well. 

 

These are all knockout matches, and there are numerous other matches especially vs Pakistan where has done very well almost every time. 

 

This is the first ODI WC or T20 WC where he has completely failed. I'd also blame Rohit and Dravid more for this as they wanted to have that loser Dube in the XI. If Kohli was captain, he wouldn't have opened for sure. 

 

What's even this thread about?

Good post!

 

He is an ODI ATG, maybe GOAT. And your stats support that.

 

But they also show that he is unsuited to play in the top order of a modern T20I team. 2016 is the last time he shows up on your list. That was a whole generation ago. Kohli should've walked away from t20Is.

 

That's what the thread should be about.

 

And can we have a thread supporting one player without demeaning another? 

 

Either way I am rooting for him to click in the final. As long as India wins it's all good. 

 

 

 

Edited June 27, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict

[mikeypbadana86]

5 hours ago, Number said:

His innings in Mumbai 23 SF against NZ was a match losing one too. It was Shreyas and Gill who put us in safe zone. Kohli in mid innings break said he thought 340 was a winning total. It didn't turn out to be that way.

 

His innings against SA in 2014 remaims his only great knock out innings.

You are wrong. He has second knock out innings in an other semi final.

The bowlers messed up in 2016 semis. He scored 89 off 47 balls.  Ashwin bowled two no balls and india failed to defend. 

India  (20 ovs maximum)

BATTING		R	B	M	4s	6s	SR
Rohit Sharma	lbw b Badree	43	31	29	3	3	138.70
Ajinkya Rahane	c Bravo b Russell	40	35	68	2	0	114.28
Virat Kohli	not out	89	47	63	11	1	189.36
MS Dhoni (c)†	not out	15	9	24	1	0	166.66
Extras	(lb 1, nb 2, w 2)	5

 

 

Kohli never opened in international cricket. The team management in trying to accommodate Dube, drops jaiswal and asks kohli to be an opener? why not open with jaiswal and let kohli bat his own way. If kohli bats normal, he would have batted like suryakumar Yadav 47 off 38. Do not spit venom when the team is winning. Jadeja/Dube/Rishab pant failed  thus far but no one talks about them, just spit venom against kohli?

[straighttalk]

4 hours ago, Jamadagni said:

2011 WC Final - 35 - Very crucial partnership with Gambhir. 

2013 CT final - 43 - Highest scorer

2014 T20 WC semis - 72* 

2014 T20 WC final - 77 - Would have been match-winning if not for Yuvi. 

2016 T20 WC QF vs Australia - 80* - ATG knock

2016 T20 semis - 89* - Just check Rohit's and Rahane's innings in the same match. 

2023 WC Semis - 117 - He had a specific role in the team for that WC and did well throughout the world cup. 

2023 WC final - 54 - Compare this with the loser's knock in the partnership at the other end. Kohli was striking at 90 and did well. 

 

These are all knockout matches, and there are numerous other matches especially vs Pakistan where has done very well almost every time. 

 

This is the first ODI WC or T20 WC where he has completely failed. I'd also blame Rohit and Dravid more for this as they wanted to have that loser Dube in the XI. If Kohli was captain, he wouldn't have opened for sure. 

 

What's even this thread about?

What a fact based answer to random bs 

[nitinbwj]

6 hours ago, adi B said:

As bad as he has been , Kohli might be needed in the finals against Rabada,Jansen, Nortje !

I'll take a 25 of 20 type of Innings from him right now given how he is struggling atm 

He can score the runs with out taking unnecessary risks. Jumping around the crease and wildly slogging is not his game. Hit an effortless six last night and then blindly slogged the next ball. Dravid needs to talk to him. Won't mind a 40 ball 55 if he can stay a bit longer. 

[RajBan]

10 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

I mean if you give any random player 10 tourneys across formats, I'm sure even someone like Manvinder Bisla, Saha, Manish Pandey or any random no-name average batsman would've fluked a knock. But hats off to Kohli for consistently coming up small in knockouts! 

 

This level of consistency has to be applauded. At least I've never seen any batsman in my lifetime, or heard of anyone who has failed so many times when it matters. At this time I'm surprised why the team picks him for knockouts, or why he himself doesn't drop out by himself 

Saha has a century in a IPL final. Kohli hardly gets into double digits in any knock out game.

[RajBan]

10 hours ago, wanted_desi said:

Can’t blame him now. You know exactly what he is capable of and yet you select him.

I agree. As much as people will like to direct their frustration against Kohli and Dube and Jadeja who are basically non performing lobby players, it is the accountability of Rahul Dravid , Rohit Sharma and selection committee to continue with these NPAs and not kicking them out at the cost better players who are either sitting outside or not even at the tour.

[Frustrated]

We hv won 8 out of 8 matches with Kohli contributing nothing at all.   Team Ind should go with 10 players henceforth, if ICC allows that.