Gambhir's role in this show of grit?

[BacktoCricaddict]

We've been piling on Gautibhai for all the negatives. Should we credit him for the 4th inning grit shown by the team?

 

Or was it despite him?

 

And how can we tell the difference?

[vvvslaxman]

gauti played an innings like that once. But i have to say grit is built into Washington and Jadeja. It was more them because Sundar has done it a few times. Jaddu too under different coach. English was one wicket away from creating a panic with Pant missing. So credit to them And alos two right handers who had more issues due to some patches around hte off stumps.

[putrevus]

23 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

We've been piling on Gautibhai for all the negatives. Should we credit him for the 4th inning grit shown by the team?

 

Or was it despite him?

 

And how can we tell the difference?

Grit is mainly on players you want to give coach some credit that should be okay.. Tactics are on coach.Have you seen anything from this team under Gmabhir to say wow, those are good tactics.

 

Coaches should be in first to take blame when team loses, Gambhir keeps sending his chamchas to press meets then. But was ready for hog limelight when team did something well.

 

 

What has he won as coach ??

 

[lemsip]

The draw was achieved inspite of Gambhir and the credit needs to go to the Indian top order. India were in the backs to the wall scenario largely as a result os selection mistakes as well as the lack of strategy in bowling - there was nothing coming from him when it was clear the young captain was struggling to rotate bowlers.

Gambhir is clearly a toxic presence. You just have to watch his press conferences. He is  constantly picking fights. He has to be accountable for the bizarre selection decisions as well as tactics on the field.

Whatever happens, he needs to moved out.

[express bowling]

Tremendous grit was shown by 4 batters. Gill, Rahul, Washington and Jadeja. A large part of the credit goes to the batters. 

 

But such collective grit can be displayed only when the dressing room atmosphere is very positive and united. And credit for this definitely goes to Gambhir and Gill.

 

[Lord]

Gambhir reminded the boys how Gen Dyer opened fire at Jallianwala Bagh. That fired up the boys. 

 

Full credit to him 

[Kothili]

ZERO

[gattaca]

Indian fans don’t deserve good things. So much hate and spite. Gambhir is a no nonsense guy. A reporter even mentioned about Napier innings and his pep talk. He clearly mentioned this team is creating its own identity. I still don’t get the hate. I understand we had some drop catches and some selections are borderline bad still we are in it. I remember how we got rolled over by Moen Ali of all people against Kohli, pujara and Rahane. First time we have a chance to draw in England after a long time. Chin up and enjoy. 

[gattaca]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Grit is mainly on players you want to give coach some credit that should be okay.. Tactics are on coach.Have you seen anything from this team under Gmabhir to say wow, those are good tactics.

 

Coaches should be in first to take blame when team loses, Gambhir keeps sending his chamchas to press meets then. But was ready for hog limelight when team did something well.

 

 

What has he won as coach ??

 

This is a young team and they been playing. Something go to do with the coach as well. Tactics ? They did bat England out of the 2nd test it was a tactic not many have done and lost to Bazball in England. How long he been coach lol ? He lost to NZ because of aging cricketers who were occupying places of young guys. I always prefer new guys be introduced in home games. Sai and Karun might have done much better at home. Even bowlers too.

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Indian fans don’t deserve good things. So much hate and spite. Gambhir is a no nonsense guy. A reporter even mentioned about Napier innings and his pep talk. He clearly mentioned this team is creating its own identity. I still don’t get the hate. I understand we had some drop catches and some selections are borderline bad still we are in it. I remember how we got rolled over by Moen Ali of all people against Kohli, pujara and Rahane. First time we have a chance to draw in England after a long time. Chin up and enjoy. 

Not so easy. 

 

Lost home series 3-0 after 12 years. That to a middling team. 

 

Lost BGT to one of the weakest Aus sides. 

 

Heavy bias against certain players. 

 

A good team would eventually win/draw some games irrespective of the coach. That doesn't make him great. 

[putrevus]

42 minutes ago, gattaca said:

This is a young team and they been playing. Something go to do with the coach as well. Tactics ? They did bat England out of the 2nd test it was a tactic not many have done and lost to Bazball in England. How long he been coach lol ? He lost to NZ because of aging cricketers who were occupying places of young guys. I always prefer new guys be introduced in home games. Sai and Karun might have done much better at home. Even bowlers too.

Coaches first job is to find how to take 20 wickets, he has constantly failed in that, he has no plan or template as a coach.

 

I don't want to go and on about his issues which have been discussed at length. If you want crown him , it is upto you.

 

I repeat he is the most useless coach to have coached India.Guys like him have no business of becoming coach.Bloody hypocrite.

Edited July 28, 2025 by putrevus

[jf1gp_1]

Credit is all across. First to Rahul and Gill, they showed that one could bat for sessions without wicket falling. Forget next set of batsmen, they put a belief in fans that this could be saved. Then ofcourse Jaddu and Sundar who continued work done by other two. Gambhir has to get credit for man management cause both Rahul and Gill have shown mental fragility in past. 

[coffee_rules]

If he gets put down for failures, why not credit him for successes as well? Just shows our biases. So all team  failures are attributed to him, when the team succeeds, it's the team! 

 

Having said that, I always believed what Warne used to say about Buchanan - the the coach is only as good as the team. All this talk of credit to coach for any coach is moot. Coach will look good when the team is doing good, bad when  the team is doing bad. 

Edited July 28, 2025 by coffee_rules

[vvvslaxman]

4 hours ago, lemsip said:

The draw was achieved inspite of Gambhir and the credit needs to go to the Indian top order. India were in the backs to the wall scenario largely as a result os selection mistakes as well as the lack of strategy in bowling - there was nothing coming from him when it was clear the young captain was struggling to rotate bowlers.

Gambhir is clearly a toxic presence. You just have to watch his press conferences. He is  constantly picking fights. He has to be accountable for the bizarre selection decisions as well as tactics on the field.

Whatever happens, he needs to moved out.

 

Despite meekness i would rather have Laxman. This team can go into auto pilot mode.

[The Realist]

21 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Despite meekness i would rather have Laxman. This team can go into auto pilot mode.

 

Laxman is the poor man's Dravid with even less coaching credentials. Hard pass.

 

Team needs to transition to a younger and more dynamic side and for that need a coach with a vision and strategy. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, The Realist said:

 

Laxman is the poor man's Dravid with even less coaching credentials. Hard pass.

 

Team needs to transition to a younger and more dynamic side and for that need a coach with a vision and strategy. 

 

I meant to say Gambhir is that uninspiring. 

[Number]

I am a big critic of how he is messing up team combination which is leading to long tail and underutilisation of some bowling options. That has led me to believe this guy is not fit for Test coach position.

 

But at the same time I don't doubt his integrity. People may mock him for his patriotic overtones but I feel he is not faking it, he genuinely believes in drawing inspiration from soldiers or freedom fighters and he is a team first guy.

 

One example comes to my mind when he was trying to make a comeback in Indian team in 2014, he was leading Delhi Ranji side. Delhi had good fast bowlers so he chose to play Delhi's games in Palam ground which has green track instead of Kotla, despite the fact he needed runs for himself. He said I have never played cricket thinking about my own runs, I have always believed that you play for making your team win.

 

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, Number said:

I am a big critic of how he is messing up team combination which is leading to long tail and underutilisation of some bowling options. That has led me to believe this guy is not fit for Test coach position.

 

But at the same time I don't doubt his integrity. People may mock him for his patriotic overtones but I feel he is not faking it, he genuinely believes in drawing inspiration from soldiers or freedom fighters and he is a team first guy.

 

One example comes to my mind when he was trying to make a comeback in Indian team in 2014, he was leading Delhi Ranji side. Delhi had good fast bowlers so he chose to play Delhi's games in Palam ground which has green track instead of Kotla, despite the fact he needed runs for himself. He said I have never played cricket thinking about my own runs, I have always believed that you play for making your team win.

 

 

 

 

 

Gambhir's intent can never be questioned but his thought process as a test coach can be. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

11 hours ago, Number said:

I am a big critic of how he is messing up team combination which is leading to long tail and underutilisation of some bowling options. That has led me to believe this guy is not fit for Test coach position.

 

But at the same time I don't doubt his integrity. People may mock him for his patriotic overtones but I feel he is not faking it, he genuinely believes in drawing inspiration from soldiers or freedom fighters and he is a team first guy.

 

One example comes to my mind when he was trying to make a comeback in Indian team in 2014, he was leading Delhi Ranji side. Delhi had good fast bowlers so he chose to play Delhi's games in Palam ground which has green track instead of Kotla, despite the fact he needed runs for himself. He said I have never played cricket thinking about my own runs, I have always believed that you play for making your team win.

 

 

 

 

 

Good post, but being a person of integrity and principles does not necessarily translate into someone who can mentor others with compassion, understanding that not everyone is motivated by the same things. I get a feeling that guys like Gambhir and Kumble lack this kind of understanding.

 

Added in edit: Also, I think bringing up "service to the nation" as a a reason to perform in a sport is disingenuous. And on some level, I think it trivializes what soldiers really do by putting their lives on the line to protect a nation. 

Edited July 29, 2025 by BacktoCricaddict

[kepler37b]

For coaching there needs to be a procedure and tenure.

 

Make a law that the person has to work x number of years in domestic circuit as a coach. Only then he can be considered for coaching team India.

 

Parachuting someone based on playing credentials is a utter waste of time.