Is Ashwin heading towards the league of the great Kapil Dev?

[Laaloo]

2 hours ago, fineleg said:

Some very important knocks yes. But not yet Match Winning ones.

wtf? last match was match winning ones. You're clueless as usual.

[rkt.india]

On 12/6/2016 at 1:20 AM, fineleg said:

Some very important knocks yes. But not yet Match Winning ones.

100 in first test in WI when we were 126/5 was a match winning 100. Runs in Mohali were match winning.

[rkt.india]

On 12/5/2016 at 9:42 PM, rtmohanlal said:

Ashwin has long way to go to be in the same level as the great  Kapil.Firstly  his batting stats are not that of an all rounder in 1 dayers.He also needs to prove much more in bowling  out side  subcontinent. His test batting too needs some quality knocks against stronger teams &  outside subcontinent.Also Ashwin lags way behind   in fielding when compared to Kapil. And Kapil was a brilliant captain himself.

 

Kapil was a genuine  all rounder with a str: rate of almost 81 when 40-45 was the norm.He could murder quality bowling attacks to shreds.  

He played nonstop cricket( first 62 tests in mere 5 years & 5 months) and hence had enormous work load on his shoulders, Kapil had very weak support bowling unit even in home conditions,Kapil was a brilliant captain who won a world cup, He was the best all rounder against  the best team of his era  etc etc.People who evaluate Kapil  need to take into account all these factors before rating him. As they say stats with out context is meaning less. This is  absolutely spot on in the case of Kapil

What are you talking about? You are really overrating Kapil the batsman. People might say he was much better batsman than what his stats show but that ultimately needs to be reflected in your stats too. Kapil averages 26 overseas with 3 100s in his whole career. Ashwin already has 2 and averages 30 overseas. also, strike rate is immaterial in tests; otherwise, Afridi with an SR of 86 and average of 36 would have been called a better batsman than Kapil.

[putrevus]

6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

What are you talking about? You are really overrating Kapil the batsman. People might say he was much better batsman than what his stats show but that ultimately needs to be reflected in your stats too. Kapil averages 26 overseas with 3 100s in his whole career. Ashwin already has 2 and averages 30 overseas. also, strike rate is immaterial in tests; otherwise, Afridi with an SR of 86 and average of 36 would have been called a better batsman than Kapil.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;spanmax1=26+Nov+1994;spanmin1=15+Mar+1978;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

 

You are looking Kapil in wrong way. he averaged 26  when his team's best batsman during that period Vengy other than Gavaskar averaged 34. Batting at no7 with non existent tail and very weak top order always put him in position where he had to attack to make sure he got as many runs as possible.

 

Kapil had just three hundreds but he had at least 5 90 plus knocks which if converted to hundreds changes whole picture.You are comparing Ashwin twin hundreds against very weak WI to Kapil's hundreds. Kapil scored 100 and 98 against the greatest bowling attack ever assembled in 1983 WI series.

On top of him batting when his team was always in trouble he had to shoulder bowling load of his entire team.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;home_or_away=2;spanmax1=26+Nov+1994;spanmin1=15+Mar+1978;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=bowling

 

His best bowling partner during that period was Shastri who averaged over 42.Imagine the load he had to carry he bowled 2600 overs and next person on the list with most overs is Shastri with 1300 overs.

 

 

[sandeep]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

What are you talking about? You are really overrating Kapil the batsman. People might say he was much better batsman than what his stats show but that ultimately needs to be reflected in your stats too. Kapil averages 26 overseas with 3 100s in his whole career. Ashwin already has 2 and averages 30 overseas. also, strike rate is immaterial in tests; otherwise, Afridi with an SR of 86 and average of 36 would have been called a better batsman than Kapil.

Calm down RKT. Stats aside, what Ash has been doing with a couple of seasons with bat and ball, is what Kapil did for a majority of his career.  And if you are hung up on stats, please exclude Windies from Ash's overseas test batting numbers - those runs are inflating his overseas numbers at the moment. 

 

 

[rtmohanlal]

23 hours ago, rkt.india said:

What are you talking about? You are really overrating Kapil the batsman. People might say he was much better batsman than what his stats show but that ultimately needs to be reflected in your stats too. Kapil averages 26 overseas with 3 100s in his whole career. Ashwin already has 2 and averages 30 overseas. also, strike rate is immaterial in tests; otherwise, Afridi with an SR of 86 and average of 36 would have been called a better batsman than Kapil.

'Putrevus' has put forward several valid points.  26 avg: combined with 81 str: rate  from those difficult 80s can't be compared to the 26 avg: of

now a days.Kapil has played several  clutch knocks by literally  murdering  world quality bowling units  almost single handedly from lower batting positions. And this is exactly expected of a lower order batsman. He can't avg: like a top order batsman.Even Sachin or Sunny would be so proud  to have  Kapil's   2 best knocks of 129 vs SAF & 100* vs WI    in their kits. You only need to look into the scorecards to know the context of these knocks. 129 vs SAF was rated as the 6th best knock of all time by wisden. Str: rate has no value in tests?? Then why is Viv Richards is rated so higly ? Kapil  put even Viv into shade w.r.t destruction

[Vijy]

On 12/7/2016 at 9:48 AM, sandeep said:

Calm down RKT. Stats aside, what Ash has been doing with a couple of seasons with bat and ball, is what Kapil did for a majority of his career.  And if you are hung up on stats, please exclude Windies from Ash's overseas test batting numbers - those runs are inflating his overseas numbers at the moment. 

 

 

Ashwin's batting sans WI is quite humble. But, these are early days yet... he may improve (or decline).

[Cricketics]

Ashwin is the first player in 25 years to score 250+ runs and take 25 wickets in a series.

 

This guy is a champion. I hope he continues to score runs like that but I would be fine if if he is not able to replicate the same batting later down the line as long as he is the same or similar bowler later in his career. We like Ashwin the all rounder, but I like Ashwin the wicketaker more.

 

Keep it going Ash. 

[Cricketics]

Another fifer.closer to 400. Great stuff by Ashwin. 

[Majestic]

Ashwin is a test legend and is at equivalent status to Kapil Dev.

 

Kapil is a better batsman but Ashwin is a better bowler as he averages 25 in tests.

Edited February 15, 2021 by Majestic

[IndianRenegade]

Ashwin is 34, may be he has good 3 - 4 years. Who is our next next Ashwin?

[vvvslaxman]

Lollest review

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwim for all his impressive bowling records  could score single digit score without much of criticism.  But he shows a lot of commitment while batting. 

[vvvslaxman]

Ashwin and Sehwag are two of the genuine MVPS at home even subcontinent conditions.

[IndianLegend]

If not for injuries he could have averaged 35 with the bat in test cricket and around 25 with the ball making one of the GOAT all rounders

[rangeelaraja]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Ashwin and Sehwag are two of the genuine MVPS at home even subcontinent conditions.

@vvvslaxman   Even Jaddu

[Vilander]

3 hours ago, IndianRenegade said:

Ashwin is 34, may be he has good 3 - 4 years. Who is our next next Ashwin?

Washington

[Adamant]

Shaun Pollock level for me

[IndianRenegade]

37 minutes ago, Vilander said:

Washington

Washington hardly turns the ball. In T20 when batsmen go after him, he might be effective but in tests, unless the pitch offers some bounce I don’t see how he can trouble the batsmen.

 

Ashwin is a bowler who can bat a bit.

 

Washi seems to be a batsman who can bowl. 

[vvvslaxman]

Superb partnership