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Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Shikhar Dhawan have been released from India's Test team .Vijay Shankar named Bhuvneshwar's replacement

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3 hours ago, maniac said:

What is the status of Rohit’s fast bowling practice sessions? With his natural wrists and shoulder size he can be deceptively quick like Kallis I think. With being a off spin prodigy In swing /off cutters should be an inherent gift.

 

And being one of the highest 6 hitters for India in recent times he can be our Gilchrist at No.6.

 

We really have a Gilchrist+Kallis waiting in the wings :yay:

 

 

 

Rohit can officially say to Steyn now “Come to India, we got green tracks.”

 

 

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@Cricketics I know you are a fan of Rahane. What would you say to the questions being raised that he has not delivered the impact that is being expected of him. Yes, he still needs to be in the team for Tests, but the question is - is he not delivering the impact that one expects from Rahane?

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22 minutes ago, fineleg said:

@Cricketics I know you are a fan of Rahane. What would you say to the questions being raised that he has not delivered the impact that is being expected of him. Yes, he still needs to be in the team for Tests, but the question is - is he not delivering the impact that one expects from Rahane?

Kohli failed too at some point and Pujara failed too when we were overseas.  Rahane is India’s best batsman overseas in recent history so with overseas-swing coming for Indian team, we can not afford to drop our best test batsman who saved us on multiple occasions. 

 

Regarding impact, he has still scored runs and played a crucial role in recent series against Australia at home. He had set standards so high with his performance  that his failure in few series really started pinching lot of people. Fact is he is doing just all right. He has turned well in the big occasions like I told you against Australia, and he might very well be our great batsman again in the coming tours.

 

Again like I say all the time, I won’t change our 3-4-5 for the next 1 year. They have earned it. And one might agree with me or not but I believe Pujara-Kohli-Rahane makes the best top-middle order trio in the whole world. No one comes close, not even the trio involving Amla, De villers.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Cricketics said:

Kohli failed too at some point and Pujara failed too when we were overseas.  Rahane is India’s best batsman overseas in recent history so with overseas-swing coming for Indian team, we can not afford to drop our best test batsman who saved us on multiple occasions. 

 

Regarding impact, he has still scored runs and played a crucial role in recent series against Australia at home. He had set standards so high with his performance  that his failure in few series really started pinching lot of people. Fact is he is doing just all right. He has turned well in the big occasions like I told you against Australia, and he might very well be our great batsman again in the coming tours.

 

Again like I say all the time, I won’t change our 3-4-5 for the next 1 year. They have earned it. And one might agree with me or not but I believe Pujara-Kohli-Rahane makes the best top-middle order trio in the whole world. No one comes close, not even the trio involving Amla, De villers.

 

 

 

Fair enough about Rahane still needs to be in the team. I do agree, and hope that he can deliver the impact that the team and fans are waiting for.

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Shankar- don't know anything about this guy but a lot of sensible posters on here rate him highly so I'd be interested to see how he  performs. He may actually get to play, here's why:

 

Likely green tops 

2 spinners redundant as proved in last match on such wickets

Bhuvi out so Ishant will replace him 

Shankar may play in place of second spinner as we were in need of a 4th seamer this most recent match 

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16 minutes ago, mancalledsting said:

Shankar- don't know anything about this guy but a lot of sensible posters on here rate him highly so I'd be interested to see how he  performs. He may actually get to play, here's why:

 

Likely green tops 

2 spinners redundant as proved in last match on such wickets

Bhuvi out so Ishant will replace him 

Shankar may play in place of second spinner as we were in need of a 4th seamer this most recent match 

Not the worst thing to get both spinners some game  time in unfriendly conditions, see which one does better.   We don't need all 5 bowlers to be effective in order to wrap up SL in 4 days anyway.

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

Not the worst thing to get both spinners some game  time in unfriendly conditions, see which one does better.   We don't need all 5 bowlers to be effective in order to wrap up SL in 4 days anyway.

We don't wanna burn out our pacers either. Bhuvi won't be there, umesh currently off colour. If spinners not a wicket taking threat would be a big risk to field both

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Vijay Shankar is a good addition ,I think he is a very good batsman ,don't know about the effectiveness of his bowling

But if Shankar plays and it's a green track and the spinners are neutralized,then we will be hamstrung with only Shami and Umesh,both of them can be erratic at times moreso Umesh

So I think unlikely Shankar will play or are they planning to play him in place of Dhawan and push Pujara to open :hmmm:

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6 hours ago, Cricketics said:

Kohli failed too at some point and Pujara failed too when we were overseas.  Rahane is India’s best batsman overseas in recent history so with overseas-swing coming for Indian team, we can not afford to drop our best test batsman who saved us on multiple occasions. 

 

Regarding impact, he has still scored runs and played a crucial role in recent series against Australia at home. He had set standards so high with his performance  that his failure in few series really started pinching lot of people. Fact is he is doing just all right. He has turned well in the big occasions like I told you against Australia, and he might very well be our great batsman again in the coming tours.

 

Again like I say all the time, I won’t change our 3-4-5 for the next 1 year. They have earned it. And one might agree with me or not but I believe Pujara-Kohli-Rahane makes the best top-middle order trio in the whole world. No one comes close, not even the trio involving Amla, De villers.

 

 

 

Rahane cant be dropped based on one game.  Pujara, Kohli and Rahane are the mainstays of our batting. Rahane is like Laxman, will suddenly produce a gem among failures.  

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40 minutes ago, Khota said:

I am not sold on Vijay Shankar. He is not a good bowler but a decent bat. This selection baffles me as there are many deserving players ahead of him.

he is batting alrounder. His bowling will be very handy on seaming tracks. He is just a backup to Pandya though i would have liked a rookie fast bowler not named Shardul to be selected.

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1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

Rahane cant be dropped based on one game.  Pujara, Kohli and Rahane are the mainstays of our batting. Rahane is like Laxman, will suddenly produce a gem among failures.  

Yes, not only Rahane, same for all three. All are mainstays. Like I said 3-4-5 can’t be touched. We need to only worry about other slots. 

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2 hours ago, SK_IH said:

Vijay Shankar is a good addition ,I think he is a very good batsman ,don't know about the effectiveness of his bowling

But if Shankar plays and it's a green track and the spinners are neutralized,then we will be hamstrung with only Shami and Umesh,both of them can be erratic at times moreso Umesh

So I think unlikely Shankar will play or are they planning to play him in place of Dhawan and push Pujara to open :hmmm:

no he will play ahead of one of Ashwin or Jadeja, likely Ashiwn, 3 seamers, one seam alrounder and one spinner depending ont he pitch. you dont need 2 spinners if we get another pitch like Eden.

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7 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

no he will play ahead of one of Ashwin or Jadeja, likely Ashiwn, 3 seamers, one seam alrounder and one spinner depending ont he pitch. you dont need 2 spinners if we get another pitch like Eden.

i agree i didnt think of such a situation,most likely one spinner will be dropped,when was last time we played with one spinner in india? 

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9 hours ago, Temujin Khaghan said:

just imagine if we groom shankar properly ... we can play Pandya and shankar in the same team at the World Cup...

once we play 2 pace bowling allrounders (hitters) in the team, we can happily avoid Jadeja and ashwin by picking Kuldeep since we anyway have the batting cushion. 

Kuldeep is no no.11.

If bangar works on him a bit, he could be a better tail ender than jaddu or ash in odis.

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

I am not sold on Vijay Shankar. He is not a good bowler but a decent bat. This selection baffles me as there are many deserving players ahead of him.

Its how you look at things

He is a batting all rounder whose bowling is a bonus. As 5th bowler his job is to just bowl 10-15 overs and keep it tight. Unfortunately none of of our top order batsman bowl so an all rounder becomes really important . 

 

Overseas wkts will give some help to his avg bowling and most team will give indian team a grassy pitch here and there which will make any trundler lethal . 

 

Post pandya, shankar is the most deserving all rounder which other all rounder deserved a chance ahead of him

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Both Pandya and Shankar played in the practise match against Bangladesh when they toured us a year or two back. Shankar bowled better than him and got a 81 ball Century. Pandya got no wickets and single digit runs.

 

Not comparing based on one match but obviously if we are looking for a pacer batting allrounder one should not put all your eggs in one basket.

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47 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Both Pandya and Shankar played in the practise match against Bangladesh when they toured us a year or two back. Shankar bowled better than him and got a 81 ball Century. Pandya got no wickets and single digit runs.

 

Not comparing based on one match but obviously if we are looking for a pacer batting allrounder one should not put all your eggs in one basket.

Shankar for me is captaincy material, grounded, smart, analytical, has batting skill n talent, gears, on batting alone I would have him in the team, his bowling is decent, not a filler ,can get us wkts, moves the ball, n gets bounce, I assume he will bowl 130 to 142 range eventually.

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1 hour ago, tweaker said:

Shankar 's bowling is underrated.He can bowl at 135+ with good line & length. I think he is thinking, intelligent cricketer .

He has this ability to up his game against strong opposition.I have seen his performance against Mumbai .

he bowls 125-130 

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look all i think we need from Shankar in the test matches is to 

 

(a) average above 35 with bat

 

(b) bowl 10-15 overs economically to take the load of the frontline.

 

Rahane Ashwin and Sir appear to be in a batting rut. So replacing say one of Ash and Sir with Shankar is not a bad idea at all. 

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8 hours ago, rkt.india said:

he is batting alrounder. His bowling will be very handy on seaming tracks. He is just a backup to Pandya though i would have liked a rookie fast bowler not named Shardul to be selected.

I fully agree. My choice would be a pure fast bowler or a pure spinner. This all rounder experiment is risky.

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3 hours ago, MCcricket said:

Shankar for me is captaincy material, grounded, smart, analytical, has batting skill n talent, gears, on batting alone I would have him in the team, his bowling is decent, not a filler ,can get us wkts, moves the ball, n gets bounce, I assume he will bowl 130 to 142 range eventually.

Stop it.There are plenty like him so dont single him out.

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6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its how you look at things

He is a batting all rounder whose bowling is a bonus. As 5th bowler his job is to just bowl 10-15 overs and keep it tight. Unfortunately none of of our top order batsman bowl so an all rounder becomes really important . 

 

Overseas wkts will give some help to his avg bowling and most team will give indian team a grassy pitch here and there which will make any trundler lethal . 

 

Post pandya, shankar is the most deserving all rounder which other all rounder deserved a chance ahead of him

I agree with everything you say but my choice would be a pure pace bowler or a spinner. If he is being taken as a batsman then I would have Nair as my first choice. Not giving him playing time is injustice.

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My problem is the selection process. Shankar was not on my radar screen and how he takes a spot away from so many deserving people is wrong. Part time bowling will not cut it in SA or anywhere else at that level. I am still not sold on Pandya either. This is a game of specialists not part timers.

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7 minutes ago, Khota said:

My problem is the selection process. Shankar was not on my radar screen and how he takes a spot away from so many deserving people is wrong. Part time bowling will not cut it in SA or anywhere else at that level. I am still not sold on Pandya either. This is a game of specialists not part timers.

Pandya case is different in that he is still to establish as a top 6 bat or a top 3 pacer in domestics or international cricket. He is being played purely on potential. Whereas Shankar is a 50 averaging batsman who is also a tallish swing bowler. The team has always said it is looking to play 5 bowlers, but the issue is that 5th bowler is always under bowled in tests, so better to have the 5th bowling option as a pure batsman who is also a handy bowler.

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17 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Vijay Shankar's batting is TREMENDOUS. i have seen him bat...i think he will replace kedar jadhav in ODI's soon as he is more steady as a batsman than hardik Pandya...i mean vijay has a better defence.

 

i have not seem him bowl much , just saw one over on tv which was not too Impressive, i think he was 125k to 130K but he was trying bouncers...

@vishalvirsingh Shankar is more technically sound than pandy and good enough to play as a batsmen alone, his bowling is plus, agree we can try him in Odis too

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11 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

Pandya case is different in that he is still to establish as a top 6 bat or a top 3 pacer in domestics or international cricket. He is being played purely on potential. Whereas Shankar is a 50 averaging batsman who is also a tallish swing bowler. The team has always said it is looking to play 5 bowlers, but the issue is that 5th bowler is always under bowled in tests, so better to have the 5th bowling option as a pure batsman who is also a handy bowler.

How has Shankar established himself? I dont get it. In list A matches I am not sure he took any wickets. If you cannot take wickets against A team you for sure are not going to take any against regular team. Another wasted selection.

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33 minutes ago, Khota said:

My problem is the selection process. Shankar was not on my radar screen and how he takes a spot away from so many deserving people is wrong. Part time bowling will not cut it in SA or anywhere else at that level. I am still not sold on Pandya either. This is a game of specialists not part timers.

Shankar is a specialist batsman who can bowl a bit. Potentially better than Nair. Has a great first class average too.

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10 minutes ago, Khota said:

Nothing shows that his batting is betterthan Nair.

Just goes to show that you do not follow A tours. Nair averaged 9.5 and 34 in the last two A tours and consistently failed against the A team pacers. As he proved even in the Australia home series he is not a great player of quality pace, just more of a spin basher. By your own definition if he cant score in A tours, he definitely cant score in International tours and hence has been duly scrapped by team management who have more insight into players performance than us keyboard warriors.

 

Shankar is seen as a technically better batsman than Nair and being a handy swing bowler is given a chance.

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2 hours ago, Khota said:

I agree with everything you say but my choice would be a pure pace bowler or a spinner. If he is being taken as a batsman then I would have Nair as my first choice. Not giving him playing time is injustice.

Even i wud take nair but over rohit 

Shankar is coming in as all rounder and we need that all rounder more then 6th batsman

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3 hours ago, mishra said:

What is wrong with Pandya?

nothing wrong with him. I have always said have both of them for overseas tour 

Play shankar on helpful pitches for bowler- were his avg bowling can become better due to pitches and his batting gives cushion to team

Play pandya on patta as his speed will extract something out of wkt and his batting wnt face much test of movement

 

If u ask me ill take both of them on every overseas tour 

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