How do you describe this inning - 37 (59) when RRR is over 15?

[raki05]

3 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Agreed, its a big concern with this approach. Need to change

No- no Need to kick him out....if your tailenders starts after top 3-4 and 37 year old has been touted as saviour thts a big concern. For you, there is no medicine for delusion, keep hallucinating and basking in the glory of thaliva.

[Shunya]

6 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

There was no scoreboard pressure as batsmen refused to take it.

 

They batted as if team was chasing 210 on tough track.

 

SR of 50 for 1 hr.

There was scoreboard pressure and it was pretty evident even in first 20 overs when all our main batsmen were batting. Why is chasing 320+ against no.1 team at their home ground taken so lightly.

Also, how often people chase a target of 320+ without none of the top 5 getting even a 50.

 

Yes, the Dhoni slow starts are big concern and he needs to be told to take more risks in such huge chases. He scored 20 off 35 with Raina and Pandya which should have been run a ball 20 or max 25 ball 20 like Kohli. And they could have taken it to the end to make a game out of it but with Raina and then Pandya gone and it was all over. Wickets were key and we lost them at regular intervals with noone scoring big. Dhoni slogging or just doing practice without intent in last 10 overs would have made no difference to the result. We needed 60 ball 130 with 3 wickets remaining and all tailenders and match was already gone by then. The criticism of him not able to score quickly in his first 20-30 balls is justified, but rest all is just frustration.

 

[Shunya]

38 minutes ago, raki05 said:

No- no Need to kick him out....if your tailenders starts after top 3-4 and 37 year old has been touted as saviour thts a big concern. For you, there is no medicine for delusion, keep hallucinating and basking in the glory of thaliva.

Yea, no need to kick him out. He will still play his role in winning plenty of games. 

And keep your personal crap remarks to yourself.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, Shunya said:

There was scoreboard pressure and it was pretty evident even in first 20 overs when all our main batsmen were batting. Why is chasing 320+ against no.1 team at their home ground taken so lightly.

Also, how often people chase a target of 320+ without none of the top 5 getting even a 50.

  

Yes, the Dhoni slow starts are big concern and he needs to be told to take more risks in such huge chases. He scored 20 off 35 with Raina and Pandya which should have been run a ball 20 or max 25 ball 20 like Kohli. And they could have taken it to the end to make a game out of it but with Raina and then Pandya gone and it was all over. Wickets were key and we lost them at regular intervals with noone scoring big. Dhoni slogging or just doing practice without intent in last 10 overs would have made no difference to the result. We needed 60 ball 130 with 3 wickets remaining and all tailenders and match was already gone by then. The criticism of him not able to score quickly in his first 20-30 balls is justified, but rest all is just frustration.

  

Pressure is when you take it. Kohli and Dhoni were in don't care mode, so there was no pressure.

 

[raki05]

1 hour ago, Shunya said:

Yea, no need to kick him out. He will still play his role in winning plenty of games. 

And keep your personal crap remarks to yourself.

Such as.....his only place is railway station where also he ll be given vrs as he tends to forget things at this age just like he forgot yday that it's an odi and we were playing for victory and not to draw a test match by saving wkts.

[Trichromatic]

1 hour ago, Shunya said:

Yea, no need to kick him out. He will still play his role in winning plenty of games. 

And keep your personal crap remarks to yourself.

Like he has done in last 2 years?

 

Please list PLENTY such games.

[Trichromatic]

Yesterday loss wasn't on Dhoni.

 

But yesterday humiliation was certainly on Dhoni.

[asterix]

Like he has done in last 2 years?
 
Please list PLENTY such games.

I’ll give you the number..

Its’s “Shunya”...

[raki05]

Just now, asterix said:

I’ll give you the number..

Its’s “Shunya”...

That guy is in utter dellusion...

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

Yesterday loss wasn't on Dhoni.

 

But yesterday humiliation was certainly on Dhoni.

Loss isnt a problem. You win some, you lose some. Problem is the manner in which they played.

[Trichromatic]

Just now, rkt.india said:

Loss isnt a problem. You win some, you lose some. Problem is the manner in which they played.

Yes, that's why I said loss isn't on him, it's humiliation due to abject surrender is on him (and others including Kohli).

 

[Nikhil_cric]

There is so much nepotism in selections that it's shocking now. Or are we expected to believe that our selectors are downright stupid ? The UV choked and lost the WT20 final in 2014 and yet made it to the Champions Trophy 2017 ODI squad. It's time to downgrade IPL performances big time if that's what s leading to the recalls of these has-beens. International cricket is of a higher standard and players must be selected on whether they can cut it anymore at that level or lot. If it's just based on spreadsheets of who has scored the most runs at high strike rates , why do we even need selectors?

[Nikhil_cric]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Dhoni has a SR of 84 in ODIs in the last 3 years.  For reference,  our other finishers, Pandya and Kedar, have SRs  of 115 and 110 respectively in this 3 year period.

 

It means that, in the age of regular 300+ totals requiring innings SRs of 100+ ...  the finisher who is supposed to prop up the run rate in the later stages with  higher than innings SRs , is bringing it down significantly.  That too for a 3 year period atleast and not just a short bad patch.

 

 

 

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_strike_rate;qualmin1=300;qualval1=runs;size=150;spanmin1=14+Jul+2015;spanval1=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

Very good post. It is the 2 new ball era that has actually made him look better recently than he actually is. A lot of inflated stats. He has declined a lot since the last 5 years actually. Just doesn't have the sane hand eye coordination he had in his youth. 

[Pollack]

4 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

Yeh ho chuka hai. In the 2015 WC Semi, he came in with the required RR slightly above 8 but chugged along for around 50 balls with a SR in the mid-80s. Once the required RR went past 15 and the game was completely out of reach, he hit a couple of useless sixes to finish with a SR of 100 and was hailed as a lone warrior .

Yeah and poor Rahane had to slog which he just wasn't able to. Still dhoni didn't change plan. Maybe he could have assumed the attacking role than asking Rahane to go for it.

[LORD_analyst]

16 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

@LORD_analyst getting some decent meme-worthy material from this knock .

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[Ankit_sharma03]

Few days back their was this statment from Dhoni, coming later in the order was like quick sand for him 

 

Ok .....bol bachan is done . Now WTF he came after Raina , how long will this continue with dhoni . During his captaincy n now under virat to ...........dhoni always wants to come late n do the hard yards(why ur ability isnt the same anymore). Earlier jadhav was coming up the order so many times. IF dhoni is such an ATG then why is he given so lesser balls, let him bat above atleast raina who on his good days isnt worth more then 30-40 runs. 

 

Now what happens when he comes low

He asks the other person to take the attack alone to opposition which is not fair which ends up costing that player his wkt and after that its only tail so Dhoni starts to tell himself that he has to take game deep coz he has no wkts left. Taking game deep works with targets like 250 not 330. 

If the defense is he is comes when their arent to many wkts left, then BC come up the order. 

 

Last yr I have defended him coz i understand every cricketer goes through some issues during this age n they deserve backing as they are trying to rediscover their game.But now 

He has made changes to techniques (added trigger movement, cut down his backlift ) .....which is allowing him to be quick on ball 

He has gotten confidence from IPL which was lacking last year 

 

Now what excuse is their , Their is no defense to lack of intent n yesterday was a clear case of it . 

 

Dhoni either has to come up the order n kohli needs to send him atleast above raina or stop bullshitting that when he comes their are no wkts left so he has no other option or Better Drop dhoni play DK .

 

Lack of intent is unacceptable 

[Pollack]

11 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Few days back their was this statment from Dhoni, coming later in the order was like quick sand for him 

 

Ok .....bol bachan is done . Now WTF he came after Raina , how long will this continue with dhoni . During his captaincy n now under virat to ...........dhoni always wants to come late n do the hard yards(why ur ability isnt the same anymore). Earlier jadhav was coming up the order so many times. IF dhoni is such an ATG then why is he given so lesser balls, let him bat above atleast raina who on his good days isnt worth more then 30-40 runs. 

 

Now what happens when he comes low

He asks the other person to take the attack alone to opposition which is not fair which ends up costing that player his wkt and after that its only tail so Dhoni starts to tell himself that he has to take game deep coz he has no wkts left. Taking game deep works with targets like 250 not 330. 

If the defense is he is comes when their arent to many wkts left, then BC come up the order. 

 

Last yr I have defended him coz i understand every cricketer goes through some issues during this age n they deserve backing as they are trying to rediscover their game.But now 

He has made changes to techniques (added trigger movement, cut down his backlift ) .....which is allowing him to be quick on ball 

He has gotten confidence from IPL which was lacking last year 

 

Now what excuse is their , Their is no defense to lack of intent n yesterday was a clear case of it . 

 

Dhoni either has to come up the order n kohli needs to send him atleast above raina or stop bullshitting that when he comes their are no wkts left so he has no other option or Better Drop dhoni play DK .

 

Lack of intent is unacceptable 

He made no significant correction in technique. Short backlift means even slower dhoni. Quick on the ball...Yes..But just to push it around straightaway into the hands of fielder or if lucky for ones or two. As for a lack of intent he definitely shows a lot of intent playing for CSK and is carefree playing for India. Such a shame for one who is regarded as one of Indias ODI great.

[Ankit_sharma03]

1 minute ago, Pollack said:

He made no significant correction in technique. Short backlift means even slower dhoni. Quick on the ball...Yes..But just to push it around straightaway into the hands of fielder or if lucky for ones or two. As for a lack of intent he definitely shows a lot of intent playing for CSK and is carefree playing for India. Such a shame for one who is regarded as one of Indias ODI great.

no if u check his 100 against Eng last yr ull see the diff, he has a trigger movement from SL tour 

 

About Intent for CSK - yea even thats my question where is that intent gone now?? M sure no one wants to play bad n get booed 

[SK_IH]

31 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Few days back their was this statment from Dhoni, coming later in the order was like quick sand for him 

 

Ok .....bol bachan is done . Now WTF he came after Raina , how long will this continue with dhoni . During his captaincy n now under virat to ...........dhoni always wants to come late n do the hard yards(why ur ability isnt the same anymore). Earlier jadhav was coming up the order so many times. IF dhoni is such an ATG then why is he given so lesser balls, let him bat above atleast raina who on his good days isnt worth more then 30-40 runs. 

 

Now what happens when he comes low

He asks the other person to take the attack alone to opposition which is not fair which ends up costing that player his wkt and after that its only tail so Dhoni starts to tell himself that he has to take game deep coz he has no wkts left. Taking game deep works with targets like 250 not 330. 

If the defense is he is comes when their arent to many wkts left, then BC come up the order. 

 

Last yr I have defended him coz i understand every cricketer goes through some issues during this age n they deserve backing as they are trying to rediscover their game.But now 

He has made changes to techniques (added trigger movement, cut down his backlift ) .....which is allowing him to be quick on ball 

He has gotten confidence from IPL which was lacking last year 

 

Now what excuse is their , Their is no defense to lack of intent n yesterday was a clear case of it . 

 

Dhoni either has to come up the order n kohli needs to send him atleast above raina or stop bullshitting that when he comes their are no wkts left so he has no other option or Better Drop dhoni play DK .

 

Lack of intent is unacceptable 

Agree,agar ab iss ne 2019 tak khelna hi hai then no point sending below Raina,makes no sense at all

[Pollack]

5 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Agree,agar ab iss ne 2019 tak khelna hi hai then no point sending below Raina,makes no sense at all

Are you guys gone nuts? He will screw even more playing in top 4. Will be a momentum choker in most matches.