Shami is one of the best ODI pacer in Indian cricket and yet misses out in ICC tournaments

[Trichromatic]

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
JJ Bumrah	2016-2019	50	49	2505	1883	85	5/27	22.15	4.51	29.4	4	1
Mohammed Shami	2013-2019	63	62	3231	2951	113	4/35	26.11	5.48	28.5	6	0
N Kapil Dev	1978-1994	225	221	11202	6945	253	5/43	27.45	3.71	44.2	3	1
AB Agarkar	1998-2007	191	188	9484	8021	288	6/42	27.85	5.07	32.9	10	2
J Srinath	1991-2003	229	227	11935	8847	315	5/23	28.08	4.44	37.8	7	3
M Prabhakar	1984-1996	130	127	6360	4534	157	5/33	28.87	4.27	40.5	4	2
DS Mohanty	1997-2001	45	44	1996	1662	57	4/56	29.15	4.99	35.0	1	0
S Madan Lal	1974-1987	67	64	3164	2137	73	4/20	29.27	4.05	43.3	2	0
RMH Binny	1980-1987	72	67	2957	2260	77	4/29	29.35	4.58	38.4	3	0
IK Pathan	2004-2012	120	118	5855	5142	173	5/27	29.72	5.26	33.8	5	2
Z Khan	2000-2012	194	191	9815	8102	269	5/42	30.11	4.95	36.4	7	1
MM Patel	2006-2011	70	67	3154	2603	86	4/29	30.26	4.95	36.6	3	0
I Sharma	2007-2016	80	78	3733	3563	115	4/34	30.98	5.72	32.4	6	0
A Nehra	2001-2011	117	117	5637	4899	155	6/23	31.60	5.21	36.3	5	2
BKV Prasad	1994-2001	161	160	8129	6332	196	5/27	32.30	4.67	41.4	3	1
S Sreesanth	2005-2011	53	52	2476	2508	75	6/55	33.44	6.07	33.0	2	1
UT Yadav	2010-2018	75	73	3558	3565	106	4/31	33.63	6.01	33.5	4	0
RP Singh	2005-2011	58	57	2565	2343	69	4/35	33.95	5.48	37.1	2	0
C Sharma	1983-1994	65	63	2835	2336	67	3/22	34.86	4.94	42.3	0	0
B Kumar	2012-2019	106	104	5039	4209	118	5/42	35.66	5.01	42.7	3	1
P Kumar	2007-2012	68	67	3242	2774	77	4/31	36.02	5.13	42.1	3	0
SC Ganguly	1992-2007	308	170	4543	3835	100	5/16	38.35	5.06	45.4	1	2
RR Singh	1989-2001	136	117	3734	2985	69	5/22	43.26	4.79	54.1	0	2

[WC2011INDIA]

Viruskha went with the team in which wives/gf like each other and have nice bonding. 

 

 

[Nikola]

Didn't get single game in ct 2017 as well. I am sure he will get few games in this wc but i highly doubt he will play more than 2 or 3 matches in this worldcup unless someone gets injured.

[R!TTER]

1 minute ago, Nikola said:

but i highly doubt he will play more than 2 or 3 matches in this worldcup unless someone gets injured.

Why do you say that? We all know what happened when Brat picked the same 3 pacers in CT final, we need pace in England & on recent form Shami>>BK especially given BK's awful record against top 4 or 5 sides. BK would be the first pick on green seamers like the last match Afg vs SL but otherwise he's useless IMO, trying to contain the opposition again (ala CT 2017) is a recipe for disaster & no Pandya isn't in the same league as regular 3rd seamers!

[Nikola]

1 minute ago, R!TTER said:

Why do you say that? We all know what happened when Brat picked the same 3 pacers in CT final, we need pace in England & on recent form Shami>>BK especially given BK's awful record against top 4 or 5 sides. BK would be the first pick on green seamers like the last match Afg vs SL but otherwise he's useless IMO, trying to contain the opposition again (ala CT 2017) is a recipe for disaster & no Pandya isn't in the same league as regular 3rd seamers!

Big reason is bhuvi can bat and with two wrist spinners in side you will always need pacer who can bat so bhuvi > shami there. They can't play jaddu cause you are already playing 2 wrist spinners so that's reason i feel bhuvi will play most matches even if he has avg worldcup cause spinners & bumrah will have most workload.

[The Hound]

They need a better batsman at 8.

[Rightarmfast]

Poor selection again by Kohli! Sometimes I wonder if he plays to lose or to win.

[R!TTER]

Haari Jeete baazi ko haarne waala kehlata hai 

[RAZPOR]

Kohli is a terrible tema builder ,why this joker is the captain i ll never understand

[Ankit_sharma03]

Kohli Chu*** captain hai 

[ViruDilSeKhelo]

Selectors fault partly. One of chahal or kuldeep shouldn't be in squad no matter about bowling skills. You can't start a tail at 8

[sandeep]

Bit of extra pace and bounce won't bother SA as much as movement.  Better to have more spinners, and go with the pacer that can move it both ways.  If it was Pakistan/SL/Bang etc, I wouldn't be surprised to see Shami in the team as a 3rd pacer, or even 2nd. 

 

Of course logic doesn't matter for pimply kids who care more about speed-guns than actual results. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Bit of extra pace and bounce won't bother SA as much as movement. 

Its not only about pace or bounce, shami is way more skilfull then bhuvi and he can do more with the ball then bhuvi .......shami has been in outstanding form this yr and bhuvi has not been at his best post his back injury 

 

No way on earth bhuvi shud play ahead of shami unless he has an injury 

 

[Hell Raiser]

10 minutes ago, sandeep said:

 

 

Of course logic doesn't matter for pimply kids who care more about speed-guns than actual results. 

Actually its not good to talk about results in case of Bhuvi and Shami as going by their career bowling record Shami is in a different league compared to Bhuvi.

 

IMO Bhuvi is in the team more so beacuse of his batting as playing Shami makes our tail very long. Can't think of any other reason. 

[sandeep]

7 minutes ago, Hell Raiser said:

Actually its not good to talk about results in case of Bhuvi and Shami as going by their career bowling record Shami is in a different league compared to Bhuvi.

 

IMO Bhuvi is in the team more so beacuse of his batting as playing Shami makes our tail very long. Can't think of any other reason. 

Yeah, entire team management must be smoking ganja to prefer Bhuvi over Shami then.  Surely you know it better than them.  Numbers and records are not the same thing as performances. 

Edited June 5, 2019 by sandeep

[sandeep]

13 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Its not only about pace or bounce, shami is way more skilfull then bhuvi and he can do more with the ball then bhuvi .......shami has been in outstanding form this yr and bhuvi has not been at his best post his back injury 

 

No way on earth bhuvi shud play ahead of shami unless he has an injury 

 

agree to disagree and leave it at that. 

[Hell Raiser]

7 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Yeah, entire team management must be smoking ganja to prefer Bhuvi over Shami then.  Surely you know it better than them.  Numbers and records are not the same thing as performances. 

I think you are the one smoking ganja if you think that every decision taken by team management is correct, particularlyby Virat. There are many instances where they selected the wrong player. Heck India played with two spinners in 2nd test match at Lords in those conditions. Must have been a correct decision right?

 

So care to tell me what performances of Bhuvi makes him a better bowler than Shami?? Now don't run away.

Edited June 5, 2019 by Hell Raiser

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Yeah, entire team management must be smoking ganja to prefer Bhuvi over Shami then.  Surely you know it better than them.  Numbers and records are not the same thing as performances. 

don't number and records come by performances?

[putrevus]

Shami had to play,Bhuvi is not a wicket taker in odis.

[sandeep]

9 minutes ago, Hell Raiser said:

So care to tell me what performances of Bhuvi makes him a better bowler than Shami?? Now don't run away.

Shami is not as dependable as Bhuvi.  Especially at the death, in a highscoring game in flat conditions.  He's a gamble.  And especially against a team that is unruffled by bit of extra pace and bounce.  Yes, a Shami bowling in top rhythm, is threatening to any and all batsmen - but he's inconsistent.  Arguably Bhuvi complements Bumrah better at the other end, while Shami is stylistically a similar bowler to Bumrah.  As a captain, you want variety in your bowlers, all other things being equal.  'sameness' in a new ball pair can be costly.

 

Now I'm not saying Shami's not a quality bowler.  He is.  But Bhuvi, after increasing his pace, is a really valuable bowler in white ball cricket.  I know his statistical record doesn't quite reflect that, but I suggest that you take a closer look at his bowling - and make a dispassionate effort to filter out your confirmation bias.  Look at his bowling today.  He has zero wickets to show for it, but he bowled quite well.  On another day, he could have taken a couple of wickets bowling worse.