Is India now biggest choker in Limited over cricket?

[Singh bling]

India is now officially biggest choker in Limited over cricket. In bilaterals we can smash Sril Lanka but in must win games we choke.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Austin 3:!6

[Frustrated]

Chokers was a tag applied to SA when they used to win most group stage matches convincingly and choke in KOs of big tournaments.    India are not Chokers.  They are MINNOWS.  Crashing out in group stage itself.  Not only in WCs. But also in Asia Cup which features hardly 3 to 4 test playing nations.  

Edited September 6, 2022 by Frustrated

[Swag]

We don't do well in hit & giggle cricket.

ODIs/Tests, we thrash them or Pakisatn day in day out, knockout or not.

[Frustrated]

3 minutes ago, Swag said:

ODIs/Tests, we thrash them or Pakisatn day in day out, knockout or not.

Yes, like we beat them in CT2017 final by 188 runs.  

[Swag]

3 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Yes, like we beat them in CT2017 final by 188 runs.  

That's what..5 years back? I'm talking of current team.  Of course there can be anomalies in a game, but I'd definitely back India in those formats.

[Vickydev]

People who take bilaterals seriously will consider these guys chokers. The lack of quality in key areas is so evident it's insane anyone considers them capable of winning

[Singh bling]

18 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Chokers was a tag applied to SA when they used to win most group stage matches convincingly and choke in KOs of big tournaments.    India are not Chokers.  They are MINNOWS.  Crashing out in group stage itself.  Not only in WCs. But also in Asia Cup which features hardly 3 to 4 test playing nations.  

These days in small tournaments all matches are must win. We lost two matches T20 WC and were out and now 2 must win in Asia Cup which we lost. We could had afford to loose 1st match but we won.

[cricketfan28]

34 minutes ago, Rajakumar_Sharma said:

Yes we are, we will lose to Afghanistan also 

we will win that match since there is no pressure to win.

[Prabhdeep Singh]

Unfortunately they are.

 

From 2014 they have lost 3 ICC finals and 3 ICC semi finals.

 

ICC Finals:

 

2014

2017

2021

 

ICC Semi Finals:

 

2015

2016

2019

[vvvslaxman]

This is not choking. This was proper thrashing. India had an opportunity to put up a total that is beyond reach of both Pakistan and SL. But completely bottled it.

[HamHindustani]

This tournament is for SL Pak because they have been struggling with economy and floods. ACC wanted to make some money.  Selection shows India wasn't interested in this one. Nothing much to read in this.

[Khota]

They are not chokers. They are just playing bad cricket.

[Gollum]

Biggest chokers since 2013

 

Biggest underachievers

 

P4P one of the worst sports teams in history cutting across geography/time/discipline, in cricket only Toygers are worse. Imagine Chinese TT national side consistently getting its ass handed against Nigeria and Fiji....that is what our national team manages to accomplish ever so often.

 

Largest talent pool for any sport comparable only to China/TT

Richest cricket board, league, etc...financially unbeatable

World class infrastructure and exposure for our top talents (can't give excuses from 80s and 90s era any more)

More or less a one sport country, so max adulation/fanfare/fame/prestige etc.

Sport popular only in worst sporting region of the planet, barely registers in most of the other cricket nations..basically halwa competition

 

Yet we keep losing to minnow like Pak and SL, can't confidently say that we are 2nd best in Asia. With our resources we should be able to field 7-8 sides better than any other SC team, alas!!!!

 

All because of zero accountability.

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Gollum

[express bowling]

We are not chokers.

 

We have major systemic issues regarding the following ...

 

... We are poor at finding the best raw talents and giving them chances

... We are not good at developing the talents who have been discovered 

... We can't assess correctly which types of players will make our Team win big matches and big series/ tournaments

... We don't choose the best available players in the squad

... We prefer seniority over current ability while selecting the playing 11

... We prefer economical trundlers over wicket taking quick pacers.

... There is almost no accountability if the Team or Senior players don't perform.

 

Tell me how can a Team win consistently with all these issues ?

Edited September 7, 2022 by express bowling

[Majestic]

31 minutes ago, express bowling said:

We are not chokers.

 

We have major systemic issues regarding the following ...

 

... We ard poor at finding the best raw talents and giving them chances

... We are poor at developing the players who have been given chances

... We can't assess correctly which types of players will make our Team win big matches and big series/ tournaments

... We don't choose the best available players in the squad

... We prefer seniority over current ability while selecting the playing 11

... We prefer economical trundlers over wicket taking quick pacers.

... There is almost no accountability if the Team or Senior players don't perform.

 

Tell me how can a Team win consistently with all these issues ?

If that is the case then how do we win 80% of the bilateral matches? We went with economical trundlers in bilaterals too and we're winning for fun.

 

We were enjoying trolling the opposition that even with second XI or third XI, we were winning bilaterals for fun.

[HamHindustani]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

If that is the case then how do we win 80% of the bilateral matches? We went with economical trundlers in bilaterals too and we're winning for fun.

 

We were enjoying trolling the opposition that even with second XI or third XI, we were winning bilaterals for fun.

Teams don't bring or do their best in bilaterals. It's not an event. 

[putrevus]

3 hours ago, Majestic said:

If that is the case then how do we win 80% of the bilateral matches? We went with economical trundlers in bilaterals too and we're winning for fun.

 

We were enjoying trolling the opposition that even with second XI or third XI, we were winning bilaterals for fun.

If you count percentage, we will still win 80% in tournaments too. 

 

India has lost the least number of matches in world tournaments from  2013-2021. 

Edited September 7, 2022 by putrevus

[express bowling]

3 hours ago, Majestic said:

If that is the case then how do we win 80% of the bilateral matches? We went with economical trundlers in bilaterals too and we're winning for fun.

 

We were enjoying trolling the opposition that even with second XI or third XI, we were winning bilaterals for fun.

 

 

Because these days most teams don't take bilateral white ball cricket seriously.  

 

(  It was different in the '80s, '90s and '00s when bilateral ODIs were quite important  )

[putrevus]

Nonsense that most teams don't take bilaterals seriously. It took Australia 2021 to win their first t20 world cup. Is that their best t20 team. It might not be even their 50th best team.

 

To win world cups and knockout matches you need some luck too. India has run into some tough luck since 2013. Indian team overall has been very good in all major torunaments except last t20 world cup. They might not have won any cups but for that you need some luck.

 

India still has lot of holes in their white ball teams like many other teams.Nothing to panic about , they just need couple of changes and they will be just fine. Most glaring mistake of this world cup was lack of  express fast bowler. Ashwin was not all needed , they should have selected a guy like Umran who would have come very handy.

[Majestic]

6 hours ago, HamHindustani said:

Teams don't bring or do their best in bilaterals. It's not an event. 

 

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Because these days most teams don't take bilateral white ball cricket seriously.  

 

(  It was different in the '80s, '90s and '00s when bilateral ODIs were quite important  )

Bhai, a lot of teams still field their best or close to best XI vs India in bilaterals. It is India actually who make the maximum changes in bilaterals resting like literally 5-5 years. Rohit,KL, Kohli, Pant,Bumrah, Jadeja these guys are not even playing bilaterals T20 anymore. Sometimes even Pandya rests too.

Edited September 7, 2022 by Majestic