Does this Indian team have desired cricketing IQ ?

[rangeelaraja]

I mean it is known that if 3 teams are tied on 4 points - NRR will decide which 2 make it to the semis. When a defeat was eminent - why did the team management not instruct the team to bat the full 20 overs and get within 30 runs ?

 

Our NRR is a disastrous -3.800. 
 

If WI were to beat SA. India will need to win by massive margins to stay in the hunt.  A loss by 25 odd runs would have ensured we are not reliant on other results and as long as we win the remaining 2 matches - we should move to the final 4. 
 

Now, even winning may not be sufficient. 

Edited February 23 by rangeelaraja

[vvvslaxman]

They are learning the hard way.

[singhvivek141]

Guys, calm down.

 

Its a game, win or loss is a part of it. We lost one game after being invincible in 2024 T20 WC, 2025 CT and Asia Cup...even in 2023 ODI WC, we were invincible till the last game.

 

[nitinbwj]

Drop Tilak. Get in Samson.

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, nitinbwj said:

Drop Tilak. Get in Samson.

He too struggles vs spin.

[nitinbwj]

15 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Guys, calm down.

 

Its a game, win or loss is a part of it. We lost one game after being invincible in 2024 T20 WC, 2025 CT and Asia Cup...even in 2023 ODI WC, we were invincible till the last game.

 

Never lost by this margin. Loss is ok. THIS loss isnt. We are out in the first game of Super 8's and the way these morons are playing ,we might lose to WI or Zim or both 

[Ultimate_Game]

Sadly no. We're lacking in cricketing IQ big time. It can be seen the way we dropped Axar and selected Sundar, or the way we've set fields where the ball invariably goes to Sundar, or bowling no-balls, or the way we ask Dube to pull pin-point yorkers outside off resulting in wides and full-tosses, or lack of thinking while batting in PP, or inability to plan against part-time spinners when everyone can see who's gonna bowl against us.

 

The team management seems brain-dead from coach to captain with barely any planning or strategy in place.

[WC2011INDIA]

Morne Morkel doing the job.

[Lord]

42 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Guys, calm down.

 

Its a game, win or loss is a part of it. We lost one game after being invincible in 2024 T20 WC, 2025 CT and Asia Cup...even in 2023 ODI WC, we were invincible till the last game.

 

 

Exactly. We should still qualify after beating WI and Zim.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Guys, calm down.

 

Its a game, win or loss is a part of it. We lost one game after being invincible in 2024 T20 WC, 2025 CT and Asia Cup...even in 2023 ODI WC, we were invincible till the last game.

 

You are mistaken, Indian team which lost one match in three icc tournaments was completely different from this one.That team had two pillars of Indian cricket who kept carrying the team on their shoulders without any help for decade.

 

Winning Asia cup beating useless Pakistan which is number 6  is no achievement .

 

India lost only one match in 2012 world t20 too  and were out on NRR . At least Dhoni had excuse then as it rained in between innings which completely changed the surface.
 

Yesterday exposed this team’s lack of preparation and ability to handle pressure.

 

Lack of common sense from coaching was so evident from team selection itself and errors from everywhere kept piling on as night went on.

 

Normally you don't recover from this lopsided loss.Hope that one loss does not end this world cup.

Edited February 23 by putrevus

[The Realist]

Low IQ team all round and lack street smarts too. No plan B or alternative plans.

 

Remember this from the Eng tour. 

 

[Sean Bradley]

Not the team but captain is definitely a nutjob. 

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, The Realist said:

Low IQ team all round and lack street smarts too. No plan B or alternative plans.

 

Remember this from the Eng tour. 

 

Thanks for reminding us again what terrible human beings the 2000s era star players are. 

 

GG, Sehwag, Yuvi, Bhajji, sab ke sab bullies, classist, casteist, petty, bitter, jealous men. 

[Mariyam]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Thanks for reminding us again what terrible human beings the 2000s era star players are. 

 

GG, Sehwag, Yuvi, Bhajji, sab ke sab bullies, classist, casteist, petty, bitter, jealous men. 

Yuvi?

 

What has Yuvi done?

 

Isn't he coaching Abhishek Sharma out of the goodness of his heart?

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

Yuvi?

 

What has Yuvi done?

 

Isn't he coaching Abhishek Sharma out of the goodness of his heart?

Casteist slurs, jealous comments about some of his peers and juniors, was also a bully towards rookies. 

[Vickydev]

Combined or individual?

[vvvslaxman]

USA came up with the plan of stationing deep point for Abhishek and he holed out. If you go back to IPL CSK did the same play against both Head and Abhishek.  Plan 2 into the body tucking him up , bowl slow on the pads after having two off side fielders.  Pakistan started with off spinner later. Actually that move opened the door for other teams.  Abhishek is handled tactically well by opposition team. It can happen. So it is important who you pair him up with. This is how you beat tactics. If an opposition comes up with a tactic you try to come up with your own tactic. Eitehr have Abhishek take his time or pair him up with a right hander and let him unleash. This is how team game is played.  India's all top 3 are vulnerable against off spin deliveries. So it becomes a straight forward case for opposition.  

 

Gambhir is an idiot not to realize this weakness. Backing players help with their confidence. But backing players won't overcome weaknesses. We saw with Kohli. He was backed. But he kept on edging in Tests.  Decision making is vital for a batsman.  AMong all the guys Dube is the only one who treats this as a world cup not a bilatera. He gives everything within his powers. But other guys even guys like Pandya just doesn't calculate the odds when they play these shots. 

 

Tilak and Abhishek two important cogs in the wheels. These two cannot go missing match after match. We have 3 rank tailenders. If our top 3 fail we are left with SKY, Pandya, Dube, Axar/Washi. That middle order is not going to scare anyone. India must get somethign from top orer or else we are toast.

[rangeelaraja]

31 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

USA came up with the plan of stationing deep point for Abhishek and he holed out. If you go back to IPL CSK did the same play against both Head and Abhishek.  Plan 2 into the body tucking him up , bowl slow on the pads after having two off side fielders.  Pakistan started with off spinner later. Actually that move opened the door for other teams.  Abhishek is handled tactically well by opposition team. It can happen. So it is important who you pair him up with. This is how you beat tactics. If an opposition comes up with a tactic you try to come up with your own tactic. Eitehr have Abhishek take his time or pair him up with a right hander and let him unleash. This is how team game is played.  India's all top 3 are vulnerable against off spin deliveries. So it becomes a straight forward case for opposition.  

 

Gambhir is an idiot not to realize this weakness. Backing players help with their confidence. But backing players won't overcome weaknesses. We saw with Kohli. He was backed. But he kept on edging in Tests.  Decision making is vital for a batsman.  AMong all the guys Dube is the only one who treats this as a world cup not a bilatera. He gives everything within his powers. But other guys even guys like Pandya just doesn't calculate the odds when they play these shots. 

 

Tilak and Abhishek two important cogs in the wheels. These two cannot go missing match after match. We have 3 rank tailenders. If our top 3 fail we are left with SKY, Pandya, Dube, Axar/Washi. That middle order is not going to scare anyone. India must get somethign from top orer or else we are toast.

 

 

We are not using Rinku Singh well. He can be used as 3/4 to keep the scoring rate going. Having him at 8 and someone like Washi ahead of him was a really big tactical error.

[rollingstoned]

Not sure in general with your question but they read the conditions completely wrong yday. That includes team selections too. They played Sundar for lord knows what and then were forced not to use his full quota because spin was disappearing. With the bat what eh did or didn't do was no shock. 

If conditions are not suiting you you recognise it and adapt. From the first over we thought this was the usual dew soaked patta where we can chase this score in 15 overs and got a rude shock when we barely hit a 6 for 15 overs. If it meant giving them the power play and markram.more respect than necessary so be it. 

Edited February 23 by rollingstoned

[BacktoCricaddict]

11 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

Not sure in general with your question but they read the conditions completely wrong yday. That includes team selections too. They played Sundar for lord knows what and then were forced not to use his full quota because spin was disappearing. With the bat what eh did or didn't do was no shock. 

If conditions are not suiting you you recognise it and adapt. From the first over we thought this was the usual dew soaked patta where we can chase this score in 15 overs and got a rude shock when we barely hit a 6 for 15 overs. If it meant giving them the power play and markram.more respect than necessary so be it. 

This pitch misreading disease is chronic for our TM

Edited February 24 by BacktoCricaddict