Why are Pakistanis more concerned about Muslims around the world than Non muslims in Pakistan?

[Malcolm Merlyn]

This seems to be a strange characteristic of Pakistanis. They seem to involved in affairs of Muslims from Palestine to Rakhine via Kashmir and rest of India, except Uighurs but have little time for non muslim pakistanis.

 

Time and again they try to assimilate the glories and achievements of Arabs, Turks, Afghans, central asians in the name of islam, which has forced countries like Afghanistan to even raise objections, while they break down 1300 year old Buddhist statue in their own country.

 

Then you have a lot who think that they ruled India, while history shows that no Muslim ruler of Delhi or other major region actually originated from present day Pakistan, almost all were from foreign lands. Pakistanis are mostly converted non muslims, yet they seem to take pride in the fact that they got conquered and then their ancestors converted.

 

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[mishra]

I dont know, but one thing I am certain about. Indian Muslim leaders are grade 1 Youthiaas. They can have major role, infact be leading voice of Muslim world globally if they can get their priorities right. 
But these stupids, some are are buying third class Malaysian and Pakistani National interest in garb of Islam

[Vilander]

National version of Stockholm syndrome.

[Laaloo]

Because their country was created on the basis of religion.

[Vilander]

Because they teach their children this.

 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

Why look at Pakistan? We have enough Muslims in India who believed in a veto power regarding India’s foreign policy with Israel, rioted in Azad Maidan over Rohingya  /BD Muslim issue in Assam, and young babies were sacrificed over mere priorItization of citizenship to non-Muslim immigrants from Pak, in ShaheenBagh, JNU, AMU, JMI. All this goes back to why Pakistan was created, 2 nation theory and the Kashmir problem. Ummah comes first before Nation or any other Identity. It dentitions which is connected to ummah is the sole reason they have Arabic sounding names, Syeds, Muftis,  Taimurs, Aurangzeb still looking towards foreign invaders who massacred their ancestors. 

[someone]

Because there is a hierarchy system where castes are divided into Ashraf, Ajlaf, Arzal.  the converted( Ajlaf) want to be seen as the Ashraf, the pure and true Muslims. Thus, the converts foolishly hate their own roots, history and over-react for any Muslim concerns...

[SecondSlip]

Ummah Factor
 

Their Prime Minister just labeled Osama Bin Laden a “Shaheed” few weeks ago in their parliament. This same guy has the nickname of “Taliban Khan” as well because of how much he supports them. 
 

If a worldwide terrorist who was responsible for thousands of deaths during 9/11 is receiving so much love just because he is Muslim, then there is nothing else to explain here. 

It’s not just limited to Pakistanis. Even Indian Muslims have this Ummah Factor drilled into their brains. Just look at how much they are crying on twitter and begging for Sharjeel Imam to be released from jail, the same man who threatened to cut off the North-East from the rest of the country. 

 

If criminals and terrorists of Muslim background are getting so much love and support just because of Ummah Factor, then supporting normal Muslims from other countries is a given. 
 

@Gollum bhai can give more details if needed

Edited July 21, 2020 by SecondSlip

[Mariyam]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Why look at Pakistan? We have enough Muslims in India who believed in a veto power regarding India’s foreign policy with Israel, rioted in Azad Maidan over Rohingya  /BD Muslim issue in Assam, and young babies were sacrificed over mere priorItization of citizenship to non-Muslim immigrants from Pak, in ShaheenBagh, JNU, AMU, JMI. All this goes back to why Pakistan was created, 2 nation theory and the Kashmir problem. Ummah comes first before Nation or any other Identity. It dentitions which is connected to ummah is the sole reason they have Arabic sounding names, Syeds, Muftis,  Taimurs, Aurangzeb still looking towards foreign invaders who massacred their ancestors. 

Meh.

Taimur/Aurangzeb are names from Central Asia/ Persia, not Arab names.

Mufti is an honorific title for anyone who has studied Islamic jurisprudence and is of sound character, whatever that means. Not an instance of wannabe Arab syndrome there.

 

 

[Gollum]

Only Pakistanis?

 

Here in India there has been so much crying over Palestine for the last 70 years, an issue that doesn't concern us. Rallies and protests related to this are so common that no need to point out examples.

 

When Bangladesh war crimes tribunal handed out death sentence to Sayeedi and his ilk (incl rape squad leaders), there were mega protests in Bengal including one of the largest of its kind in Kolkata's Maidan (huge part of the city came to a standstill that day because of the crowds and mobilization from mosques/madrasas). Imagine the state of affairs, Bangladeshis had this Shahbag Movement for justice wrt 1971 crimes and it was their national affair. WB based Muslims were supporting the killers of Bengali Muslims/Hindus, the 1971 villains, and Mamata administration allowed that to happen. But then this is Bengal, much worse things have happened when it comes to pro-Pak (and pro-CPC) sentiment. 

1971 war crimes: In Kolkata, Islamists rally for genocide

Even 'The Hindu' then under Ram/SVardarajan reported this

A dangerous connivance It is worrying that West Bengal’s political class remained tactical spectators to the Kolkata rally organised by Muslim groups in support of Bangladeshi war criminals

 

Azad Maidan Riots over Myanmar's affairs (Rakhine riots) is quite famous now....Mahesh Bhatt, Javed Akhtar and other prominent Muslims even attacked (and demanded action against) a Mumbai policewoman who saw her colleagues get molested/stabbed by the mob....Raza Academy is yet to compensate for destruction of public property. 

 

What isn't well known but happened around the same time is the vandalization of temples, and a giant Buddha statue in Lucknow...I think even a Mahavir statue was torn down because they confused him with Buddha. Reason: Myanmar. SP didn't take any action, MSM blacked out this event.

 

First we were told only Taliban destroys statues/idols, then only Taliban+Pakistan, then only Taliban+Pakistan+ISIS.....well 7 years ago this happened. The whole video is available I think (or was?), actually shows them destroying the statue with hammers and iron rods.

 

Bodh Gaya (UNESCO World Heritage Site) serial blasts because of Myanmar violence, imagine targetting the holiest shrine for Buddhists in India !!! Very soon HR activists will start crying for those convicted jihadis...or already started, dunno, haven't kept track.

 

Not even going to discuss the spate of communal murders and other violence in reaction to things happening 1000 km away. So common, so many innocent victims, murder and even rape victims !!!!

 

These things happened, no amount of deflection (or chants of Islamophobia) can alter history. If we go back in time wtf was the Khilafat movement supported by our top Congress leaders? Why did a genocide take place in Malabar region because of some event in Turkey? None of these are isolated instances. 

 

Anti-CAA protests were just a continuation of the radical extremist mindset of a sizable % of Muslims. They simply wanted to shield the evil actions of majority Muslims in neighboring countries, actions which rendered 1000s of their minorities stateless. All that drama had nothing to do with Indian citizens, yet.....

 

We have seen non-Muslims wiped out in Afghanistan and Maldives, kafirs in ICU in Pak, reduced from 22% to 7% within 40 years in Bangladesh. Have Indian Hindus/Sikhs/Christians/Buddhists reacted like Muslims? 

 

Unfair to blame just Pakistan, I think the above examples from India should make that much clear. This is an Islamic trait....you have jihadis bombing resorts in Bali over something that happened in Afghanistan. You see 100s of schoolgirls kidnapped, raped, converted in Nigeria because of something that happened in Syria. Because of Danish cartoons controversy terrorism/violence happened in France, Russia etc. Some troll made a troll movie on Muhammad (Innocence of Muslims), there was violence in Benghazi, Chennai, Beirut and 1000 other places. Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses caused violence in Milan, Tokyo, Oslo and Sivas massacre (Turkey). MF Hussain did much worse, did Hindus do bombings in Dubai, Sydney and London to avenge that? There is a famous 70s movie about the origin of Islam called 'The Message' directed and produced by Muslims including several national govts, all Muslim countries. They were respectful in the portrayal, the prophet was never shown in the movie, movie was hailed by critics and audience. Yet what happened in some US cities after that is common knowledge....terrorsim, hostage crisis, killings. I mean WTF !!!! Recently a legendary Iranian director Majid Majidi made a movie about Muhammad...ARR composed the film score...what happened in the Sunni countries after that? What happened in India, is happening in India....now Indian Muslim scholars are agitating and the Maharashtra govt is thinking of banning its release on digital platforms.

 

Minority rights in Muslim countries are practically non-existent, even in Malaysia/Indonesia where 100s of temples/churches are demolished each year. Yet anything happens to Muslims elsewhere, whole Islamic world erupts.

 

I have just presented facts above, as truthfully as I can, y'all can verify all of this. I may or may not be Islamophobic (frankly don't care about the label) but anyone who refutes the above facts is almost certainly an Islamofascist and extremist. I am sure sensible Muslims see the damage that is being done, and how reforms are needed ASAP!!!

 

PS- May have digressed here and there but I wanted to refute the popular notion that only Pak Muslims are a problem and Muslims elsewhere (incl India) are angels. Geography isn't an underlying issue, the common thread is Islam (cutting across denominations). PCness won't solve anything, to solve a problem first acknowledge that the problem exists. 

Damn it, hate typing these long posts, over and out. 

Edited July 21, 2020 by Gollum

[Norman]

^^^ 

 

Oh my ......

[Gollum]

5 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Why look at Pakistan? We have enough Muslims in India who believed in a veto power regarding India’s foreign policy with Israel, rioted in Azad Maidan over Rohingya  /BD Muslim issue in Assam, and young babies were sacrificed over mere priorItization of citizenship to non-Muslim immigrants from Pak, in ShaheenBagh, JNU, AMU, JMI. All this goes back to why Pakistan was created, 2 nation theory and the Kashmir problem. Ummah comes first before Nation or any other Identity. It dentitions which is connected to ummah is the sole reason they have Arabic sounding names, Syeds, Muftis,  Taimurs, Aurangzeb still looking towards foreign invaders who massacred their ancestors. 

Not all are Arab names....Central Asian, Persian names too. Not sure about Turkish or Berbers but other day I read somewhere about how Kashmiris are naming their newborns after Ertugrul characters. The identity crisis is real. Next time a Rokibul from Noapara explains to me how his ancestors invaded Spain I am going to kick his ass. 

[Norman]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Next time a Rokibul from Noapara explains to me how his ancestors invaded Spain I am going to kick his ass. 

To be fair, Bengalis (Muslims) aren't as fetishized about foreign ancestry as other SC Muslims (mainly in UP, Hyd and ofcourse baakis).

 

 

Edited July 21, 2020 by Norman

[panther]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Not all are Arab names....Central Asian, Persian names too. Not sure about Turkish or Berbers but other day I read somewhere about how Kashmiris are naming their newborns after Ertugrul characters. The identity crisis is real. Next time a Rokibul from Noapara explains to me how his ancestors invaded Spain I am going to kick his ass. 

Don't worry your time will come soon, Ghazwa e hind

[Clarke]

12 minutes ago, panther said:

Don't worry your time will come soon, Ghazwa e hind

You guys seriously suck at your project management. More than a decade and not one step forward. Is the term ETA banned by Pak phouj ?

[coffee_rules]

8 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Meh.

Taimur/Aurangzeb are names from Central Asia/ Persia, not Arab names.

Mufti is an honorific title for anyone who has studied Islamic jurisprudence and is of sound character, whatever that means. Not an instance of wannabe Arab syndrome there.

 

 

I meant foreign - they take pride that their ancestors come from Arabia, Persia, Turkey, Afghanistan, Mongolia and Egypt. I don't see any Turk taking up an Arab name or Iranians taking up Arab names, even though Islam came from that region. Indonesians and Malay don't seem to have this ME fascination 

[Alam_dar]

10 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Meh.

Taimur/Aurangzeb are names from Central Asia/ Persia, not Arab names.

Mufti is an honorific title for anyone who has studied Islamic jurisprudence and is of sound character, whatever that means. Not an instance of wannabe Arab syndrome there.

 

ٰI  am afraid that "Wannabe Arab Syndrome" has become much more stronger in Pakistan. These are mainly "Salafists/Wahabies" who are trying to be wannabe Arabs. They have started using the Arab dresses, eat like Arabs eat in their mosques, and their women took Abaya (Hijab) the way Arab women take. 

 

Please note this important difference: 

 

(1) Religious Pakistanis try to be wannabe Arabs. 

 

(2) Little moderate Pakistanis try to be wannabe Turks (while Turkish Islamic Culture is little moderate, for example women could act in the Dramas there etc.)

 

Muslims are like the Camels: 

 

There is a story where the owner allowed his camel keep his nose inside the tent, while it was very cold outside. But then camel gradually brought his whole face inside, then front legs, then back legs and at the end he captured whole tent and compelled his owner to go out of the tent. 

 

Unfortunately, Muslims are that Camel. 

 

We Pakistanis were culturally very close to India till 1980s. There were hardly any educated people in the Universities or other higher institutions where men had beards. 

 

But then we got that "wannabe Arab" syndrome. And today our best universities are run by the people with long Arab beards, and instead of taking Dopata, girls are taking Hijab today (This Hijab fashion also started in 1980s for the first time). 

 

Gradually, but surely, we are drifting towards becoming full Arabs. 

 

Lately, Punjab Assembly passed a bill, which forbids the Barbers to make the "Design Beards". And if they do so, then they will be fined and punished. 

 

My Assessment: 

 

The so called moderate Muslims in Pakistan have changed since 1980s. Now it seems that all of them have a hidden beard in their stomachs. This makes them sometimes much more dangerous than the Mullahs with openly visible beards. 

 

 

 

[sandeep]

10 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Meh.

Taimur/Aurangzeb are names from Central Asia/ Persia, not Arab names.

Mufti is an honorific title for anyone who has studied Islamic jurisprudence and is of sound character, whatever that means. Not an instance of wannabe Arab syndrome there.

 

 

Neither Taimur nor Aurangzeb had any connection to "Persia".  Correct me if I'm wrong.

[coffee_rules]

1 minute ago, sandeep said:

Neither Taimur nor Aurangzeb had any connection to "Persia".  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Taimur is Mongol/Uzbek

Aurangzeb considered himself Persian, He had made Persian is official language. 

[sandeep]

13 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Taimur is Mongol/Uzbek

Aurangzeb considered himself Persian, He had made Persian is official language. 

Mughals were illiterate tribals from Central Asia - they imported Persians as court employees to 'polish' up their regime.  "Considering himself Persian" is a bit silly, but then again, we're talking about Aurangzeb.