[Pant's drop rate v spin - 44%] Rishabh Pant still doesn't have skill set to keep to bowlers like Ashwin and Jadeja in subcontinent: MSK Prasad

[Gollum]

 

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Prasad, a wicketkeeper himself in his playing days, reckoned that Pant still doesn't have the skill set to keep wickets against the likes of Ravichandran and Ravindra Jadeja in subcontinent conditions. Prasad stated that he would go with the horses for courses approach, playing Pant in overseas conditions and Saha in subcontinent conditions.

"When you keep in subcontinent conditions against quality spinners like Ashwin or even to an extent Ravindra Jadeja and Kuldeep Yadav, you need that skill set which I feel Rishabh still doesn't have. But when you play abroad your wicketkeeping skills are not as tested as it is here in subcontinent conditions.

"See, even if Rishabh Pant comes good with bat and he does with gloves also, in subcontinent conditions I will still stick with Wriddhiman Saha because it's not easy to keep Jadeja and Ashwin here.

"So, Wriddhiman Saha should be the in the squad. Like how Saha is going to be 2nd keeper if Pant plays now, in subcontinent let Saha play and Pant wait for his chances. I will still keep Saha in squad and play him in subcontinent conditions. We should have horses for courses.

"If we are picking bowlers according to conditions then why not for wicketkeepers. Probably this is the new way of thinking," MSK Prasad said on YouTube channel Sports Today.

 

Not some random ex-player but legendary Chief Selector himself 

 

One thing to say Saha is a better pure keeper than Pant (no one will contest that) or that Pant's fitness was lacking in the lead up to this tour.....but why are these people spreading the myth that Pant doesn't know keeping? We have seen Dasgupta, Dighe, Dahiya, Ratra, Parthiv, Karthik, Dhoni (against quicks), why exactly is 23 yo Pant vilified so much? And even if his keeping is so bad (it is not!!!!!) how will it improve unless he keeps more to our spinners in the longer format? Instead of saying clear cut that Pant is our #1 keeper in tests so many experts and ex-players are spouting nonsense and public will swallow this kind of BS and run more SM campaigns to mock/abuse our youngsters. Toxic environment for rookies in Indian cricket. 

[TheWall]

Can't bat against spin, can't keep to spin nor can bowl proper spin...

That's the story of curren indian cricketers..

[ShoonyaSifar]

We had this buffoon as our chief selector! Pant in his short career has already achieved more than what this loser could in his entire career.

 

He is saying all this crap just to justify Pant being dropped last year when Saha came back.

 

Pant may not be the best keeper on turning tracks, that's absolutely fine. He's secure enough and will get better as he plays more.

 

Could he also be trying to pitch for K S Bharat (who is also from Andhra) as Saha's successor in Tests? I wouldn't put it past this Kohli yesman MSK who had no voice of his own.

[Serpico]

Saha is 36. Does this genius have any idea what to do once he retires? He's probably jealous that Pant will cross every indian wicketkeeper in his lifetime by a mile and half

[Gollum]

More madness

 

 

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[maniac]

Nothing wrong in what he said, Keeping in SC is a challenge and you play your best pure keeper.

 

it’s one extreme that people are saying Pant can’t keep but the other side of the coin is this assumption that Saha is a tailender who can’t hold the bat. He can be decent in SC even though might not be as destructive as Pant.

 

Overseas May by there is a need to

go With the better batsman and an adequate keeper.

 

Also MSK is underrated as a selector. He did some good work but it was the team management that screwed up. Tell me one poor selection of his that was against what ICF (benchmark for the most hardcore fans) wanted?

 

Rayudu was being insulted day in and day out and every One wanted the great allrounder Shankar to play and he got a shot. He got rid of Ash-Jadeja (for a while) and got Kul-Cha in their place. Fast bowling selections have been spot on,  he selected  Gill,Shaw,Aggarwal Pant etc under his watch. Even gave guy like DK a second wind and he won us a T20 tournament.

 

Underrated selector whose work Was ruined by the TM 

[Suhaan]

These ,Ojhas,Murali Karthik s aren't from stone age either why they are spouting so much BS these days,why are they overplaying this "Experience matters" tape record again and again

 

This is deliberate attempt to stop any change to happen nd maintain the status quo under this joke of a TM and Kaptaan

Pity,do they live in the same world?or they don't have access to Internet ? stone age is where they live in

If they had any understanding of the game they would have looked around and found how teams have dealt with their youngsters England, Australia,NZ even Pakistan have gone the same route and protect their youngsters let alone public shaming,this is not the end

More dark days to come

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Nothing wrong in what he said, Keeping in SC is a challenge and you play your best pure keeper.

 

it’s one extreme that people are saying Pant can’t keep but the other side of the coin is this assumption that Saha is a tailender who can’t hold the bat. He can be decent in SC even though might not be as destructive as Pant.

 

Overseas May by there is a need to

go With the better batsman and an adequate keeper.

 

Also MSK is underrated as a selector. He did some good work but it was the team management that screwed up. Tell me one poor selection of his that was against what ICF (benchmark for the most hardcore fans) wanted?

 

Rayudu was being insulted day in and day out and every One wanted the great allrounder Shankar to play and he got a shot. He got rid of Ash-Jadeja (for a while) and got Kul-Cha in their place. Fast bowling selections have been spot on,  he selected  Gill,Shaw,Aggarwal Pant etc under his watch. Even gave guy like DK a second wind and he won us a T20 tournament.

 

Underrated selector whose work Was ruined by the TM 

He was a yesman of Kohli. A spineless selector who insulted the position he held and had ZERO stature.

 

From Sept  2016-Mar 2020, he was part of horrible team manipulations by an insecure captain Kohli and never ever voiced his opposition to the mistreatment of youngsters. Was more than keen to be a cheerleader and pocket the fat paycheck. If none of the youngsters could prosper in his tenure, a large part of blame goes to him for being thoroughly useless in his role. 

[Suhaan]

I still haven't understood what was the purpose to drop Pant aginst SL,BD at home yes at home

International (real time )experience is what these guys are starved of

Pant's case is now getting nasty,its infact gone below the belt

Saha needs another chance but what about Pant?He has to run on sword every damn time he plays

[beetle]

14 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Could he also be trying to pitch for K S Bharat (who is also from Andhra) as Saha's successor in Tests? I wouldn't put it past this Kohli yesman MSK who had no voice of his own.

Very likely.

Trying to dent his confidence before he gets any chance to play.

[Ankit_sharma03]

what a terrible thing to say in public considering he was an ex selector 

also how adequate was dhoni keeping against moving ball at start of his career infact whole

[Gollum]

@maniac this thread isn't about MSK's selection or even about Saha vs Pant. 

 

This is about the non-stop smear campaign launched by influential people (at TM's bidding?) against our youngsters. All these rookies have flaws, you don't get finished products right away at that level. But to publicly humiliate ONLY youngsters (when was the last time MSK spoke about Rahane's returns?), inventing reasons to turn fickle public against them, making youngsters the fall guys, none of this is in Indian cricket's best interests. 

 

Just another example of their attitude here. What does he mean 'Pant doesn't have the skill set to keep to Ash/Jaddu in SC'? That is a loaded statement which is far from truth. One thing to say he has scope to improve or that his fitness should be better but creating myths like this won't help the player in question one bit, only puts unnecessary pressure and creates public mood against him...like those Dhoni chants when Pant missed a catch/stumping or 24x7 SM propaganda. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Gollum

[The Realist]

MSK Prasad 

 

No first name

 

No skills

 

No brain 

 

Nobody

[Bigg Brother]

Then he should be nowhere near squad. Chewts of highest order. 

[beetle]

The team just got out for 39 and this loser is writing about Pant in sub continent. This spineless guy has no guts to criticize kohli and the others but keeps going after Pant when the poor guy has not played for India for so long.

 

Haath dho ke Pant ke peeche pada hai #@$!

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, The Realist said:

MSK Prasad 

 

No first name

 

No skills

 

No brain 

 

Nobody

His first name is Srikanth 

 

Rest yes debatable 

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, beetle said:

The team just got out for 39 and this loser is writing about Pant in sub continent. This spineless guy has no guts to criticize kohli and the others but keeps going after Pant when the poor guy has not played for India for so long.

 

Haath dho ke Pant ke peeche pada hai #@$!

 

[dilliboy]

Khelega nahi to how the hell is he going to inprove? By observing the great Saha from the dressing room? If not picking him as first choice in subcontinent then let him improve his skills in Ranji... These random horses for courses remarks make little sense. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

@maniac this thread isn't about MSK's selection or even about Saha vs Pant. 

 

This is about the non-stop smear campaign launched by influential people (at TM's bidding?) against our youngsters. All these rookies have flaws, you don't get finished products right away at that level. But to publicly humiliate ONLY youngsters (when was the last time MSK spoke about Rahane's returns?), inventing reasons to turn fickle public against them, making youngsters the fall guys, none of this is in Indian cricket's best interests. 

 

Just another example of their attitude here. What does he mean 'Pant doesn't have the skill set to keep to Ash/Jaddu in SC'? That is a loaded statement which is far from truth. One thing to say he has scope to improve or that his fitness should be better but creating myths like this won't help the player in question one bit, only puts unnecessary pressure and creates public mood against him...like those Dhoni chants when Pant missed a catch/stumping or 24x7 SM propaganda.

The worst part is this same loser went onto pick Pant for the home tests vs WI in 2018. Why was someone not good enough to keep vs Ashwin and Jadeja picked for the national side?

[Gollum]

Till 10 years back we were so good when it came to introducing maverick cricketers full of flair and ahead of their times: Engineer, Kunderan, Chandra, Srikkanth, 16 yo Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina, Rohit, Ashwin. Bumrah is an exception from recent past, maybe his role as fast bowler has kept him safe. England was opposite, robotic, dull, uninspiring, didn't know how to handle guys like Botham, Devon Malcolm, Trescothick, Flintoff, KP....and shunned unorthodoxy, risk taking, innovation, street smart cricket etc. 

 

Now we have switched roles, they have players who like to express themselves on the field and are innovative: Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Roy, Archer etc. While we are harsh towards players who have individuality, who aren't conformist, who have minds of their own, their fearless approach clearly finds no takers in this TM. 

 

KL is one such maverick who has been turned into a scared kitten by this TM, a talent like him in ECB's hands would have been a sight to see. Pretty sure Stokes would have been converted into something else under Indian TM. Maybe they want more Rahane clones in Team India so that status quo is never under threat, 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Gollum