So how long is the rope for Saha?

[Silva]

Last year saha had a higher bating average then all those youve mentioned. Teams around the world look at keepers based on weather their glove work is good enough.

 

That one drop by dhawan might have caught india the match, noq imagine the odds of winning if we had a mediocre keeper behind the stumps.

[New guy]

12 minutes ago, PSB_Zone said:

Evolution of Pandya  means, India will more often then not play with 5 bowlers (4.5 to be precise) and then u will need a keeper who can bat like bairstow or kock and sadly saha does not make the cut.. 

Pandya is a no. 7, ashwin 8 and bhuvi 9..last test matches they all played one position up

Yes Saha should be dropped based on one match. Also drop kohli.and pujara using same logic

[PSB_Zone]

7 minutes ago, New guy said:

Yes Saha should be dropped based on one match. Also drop kohli.and pujara using same logic

Its not about one match.. Its about team combination.. Earlier India used to play with 4 bowlers then saha was fine but now u need a keeper batsmen.. 

[zen]

One of the easond why I don't visit cricket talk much is too many dumb threads

 

[Shy9]

Are you under some problem? 

No way you can drops specialist keeper for Parthiv who is not as good as  Saha with Gloves, you should not forget what Saha did for India 

 

parthiv can bats at any  number as only batsman 

[jf1gp_1]

You mean parthiv for saha or rahul should open and keep ?

[New guy]

1 hour ago, PSB_Zone said:

Its not about one match.. Its about team combination.. Earlier India used to play with 4 bowlers then saha was fine but now u need a keeper batsmen.. 

He IS a keeper batsman

[WeStMiDz]

Agree that Parthiv should play away from home and open the batting to strengthen the line up. Unfortunate for Saha but horses for courses. 

 

Parthiv's keeping is not as bad anymore as is made out to be on here. 

[abc]

11 minutes ago, WeStMiDz said:

Agree that Parthiv should play away from home and open the batting to strengthen the line up. Unfortunate for Saha but horses for courses. 

 

Parthiv's keeping is not as bad anymore as is made out to be on here. 

Parthiv should definitely play as keeper in the Indian national team ... in hockey

[Khota]

It is no brainer at this stage.

saha out Parthiv in. Parthiv has really matured in my opinion.

[bihutoli]

Cant believe how frequently these retarded threads keep popping up.

[vvvslaxman]

Saha took like 10 catches in the last Test

[Ankit_sharma03]

yes its true pandya inclusion will demand runs from keeper 

[PSB_Zone]

2 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

You mean parthiv for saha or rahul should open and keep ?

No not for series.. Its going forward

[PSB_Zone]

41 minutes ago, bihutoli said:

Cant believe how frequently these retarded threads keep popping up.

Dont comment if u dont understand the logic.. 

 

Its not for next test match its going forwad in future.. If pandya plays as an all rounder then we would need a keepeer who can bat much better then saha.. 

 

I mean batting was always beneficial but india while playing with 4 bowlers and in subcontinent ashwin/jadega both play and are handy with the bat.. So focus on saha's batting ability was much less.. 

 

Now in overseas. There is only one spinner and with saha not as good as bairstow or kock,  Indian batting looks thin.Saha is a brilliant keeper but.... 

[Laaloo]

54 minutes ago, Khota said:

It is no brainer at this stage.

saha out Parthiv in. Parthiv has really matured in my opinion.

Maturity won't be able to take all the catches he drops and all those stumpings he misses. He matured as a batsman not as a keeper.

[zen]

To expand the discussion, let's assign some values using Saha as an example: 

 

Topic = Index 

WK = 100

Batting = 100 (Avg 31) 

 

Let's say to accept 5% a drop in WK performance, we have to match that by say 5x of the drop in wk-keeping performance in batting performance 

 

So if the replacement is 

 

WK = 95 (-5 frpm index)

Batting = 31 * 1.25 (5*5=25% more) = 39 Average (close to 40) 

 

If the replacement is

WK = 90

Batting = 31* 1.5 (10*5=50% more) = 46 Avg 

 

if the replacement is 

WK = 85

Batting = 31*1.75 = 54 Avg (i.e. being played mainly for his batting abilities) 

 

Parthiv's batting avg is 34. For Pathiv, (0.9 to 0.95 WK capability of Saha) to replace Saha his avg should be in the 40-45 range. And Parthiv is not starting fresh where he needs to be "groomed" 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chewy]

Saha is doing excellent (with gloves) and was good with the bat in home games.

i would give him garunteed spot till end of England series

 

 if he finishes SA and Eng series with batting average of 25 plus, then it’s a success, but with batting average below 20 then his position needs to be considered

 

[Tattieboy]

3 hours ago, PSB_Zone said:

Evolution of Pandya  means, India will more often then not play with 5 bowlers (4.5 to be precise) and then u will need a keeper who can bat like bairstow or kock and sadly saha does not make the cut.. 

Pandya is a no. 7, ashwin 8 and bhuvi 9..last test matches they all played one position up

So you would choose Patel a specialist opening batsman who has Test  avg 33.76 with 0 test centuries 6 fifties who has had 16 yrs to get better since debut against Saha specialist wicketkeeper with  Test avg 30.63 with 3 centuries and 6 fifties . 

What will 3 runs per innings and poorer wicketkeeping bring to the party? 

[PSB_Zone]

10 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

So you would choose Patel a specialist opening batsman who has Test  avg 33.76 with 0 test centuries 6 fifties who has had 16 yrs to get better since debut against Saha specialist wicketkeeper with  Test avg 30.63 with 3 centuries and 6 fifties . 

What will 3 runs per innings and poorer wicketkeeping bring to the party? 

Look for others, u can even ask msd to come out of retirement in tests. Msd should take retirement from t-20 instead