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It's just a damn poll/survey. Stats paint a different picture, as usual *ing Western agencies trying to sell an agenda, no respect for morally bankrupt agenda driven assholes. We have to do much better in this department agreed but LOL at the rankings, LOL LOL LOL. Libtards will have a field day now, somehow linking this to the ruling party and PM.

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Just now, zen said:

Where in particular we are ranked does not matter in the end. What's important is to try to make the country safe for women. May be aim for a place in the top 10! 

The place is as safe as any other country with decent peace loving population. You cannot expect a utopian level of safety anywhere in the world.

 

This is propaganda to push feminism in India just like it was done to Europe and North America.

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This is not based on stats, this is a joke based on poll of obscure "experts" opinions. In their opinion they rate India #1 in "culture and religion" where the criteria is: "including acid attacks, female genital mutilation, child marriage, forced marriage, punishment/retribution through stoning or physical abuse or mutilation and female infanticide/foeticide". Who knows INC would have paid those experts as they are a "Philanthropic arm of Reuters", anyway! Even FirstPost has a rebuttal!

 

https://www.firstpost.com/india/rahul-gandhis-india-unsafe-for-women-claim-dubious-slanders-my-countrymen-writes-poonam-mahajan-4602511.html

 

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Right in the beginning of their methodology page, they say, "The Thomson Reuters Foundation, the philanthropic arm of Thomson Reuters, the world's largest news and information provider, conducted a global perception poll of experts in women's issues to highlight the most dangerous countries for women."

 

They further add, "We contacted 548 experts focused on women’s issues including aid and development professionals, academics, health workers, policymakers, non-government organisation workers, journalists, and social commentators."

 

These "experts" were asked to name the five most dangerous countries for women based on a few questions. So, this was just the "perception" of the people that Thomson Reuters consider as experts in women's issues.

 

Essentially, their claim of India being the "most dangerous country for women" is not based on data but is entirely based on what a small number of people think!

 

 

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5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

This is not based on stats, this is a joke based on poll of obscure "experts" opinions. In their opinion they rate India #1 in "culture and religion" where the criteria is: "including acid attacks, female genital mutilation, child marriage, forced marriage, punishment/retribution through stoning or physical abuse or mutilation and female infanticide/foeticide". Who knows INC would have paid those experts as they are a "Philanthropic arm of Reuters", anyway! Even FirstPost has a rebuttal!

 

https://www.firstpost.com/india/rahul-gandhis-india-unsafe-for-women-claim-dubious-slanders-my-countrymen-writes-poonam-mahajan-4602511.html

 

 

 

Wow! Way to go firstpost! Did not expect from them.

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Most of these polling agencies are arms of the church - makes it very easy and cheap to peddle atrocity literature. This kind of libellous shyte will only increase in volume as India approaches the 10 trillion economy mark. Why the arbitrary 10 trillion milepost? Its just my belief that at that point, India will have sufficient industrial base to dictate its own future - proverbial FU money. Then you can kick out all the gora jihadis and their hanger-ons within the country and give the middle finger to their sponsors outside whenever you wish. 

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3 hours ago, MechEng said:

The place is as safe as any other country with decent peace loving population. You cannot expect a utopian level of safety anywhere in the world.

 

This is propaganda to push feminism in India just like it was done to Europe and North America.

Crimes against women are not the only concern. It pains to see kids begging on the streets or picking up garbage to get through the day. I would like to see a culture where people are repelled by this and take action to rectify the situation 

 

People should at least use such things to introspect and try to create awareness of what the expectations are 

 

 

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8 hours ago, cric_fan said:

No surprises. Every other day I read about brutalities against women in Ind on social media & news outlets.

bhaijaan, your happiness has been cut in short. it was a poll based on perception.... not on actual data:phehe:

 

 

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These experts are jokers. 

Perhaps they have been to India, but never to places like Afghanistan and Pakistan. 

 

(Syria is perhaps little bit different where supporters of Assad are indeed liberals and women are free). 

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In Pakistan, one could understand that there is frustration among the youth while they are not allowed to even talk to the girls. 


But such level of frustration in an open society of India is little bit puzzling. 

 

 

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

In Pakistan, one could understand that there is frustration among the youth while they are not allowed to even talk to the girls. 


But such level of frustration in an open society of India is little bit puzzling. 

 

 

 

 

India is quite patriarchal and conservative, at least most of rural India which is the majority of India. The problem is compounded by the lack of law enforcement. Urban India is relatively better but has a long way to go as well.

 

The idiocy of the "experts" is visible all across, how on earth does United States fit into the top 10 even if India is dragged into it ? 

 

Inko Bush pe gussa aata hai to Obama ko Nobel dete hain aur Trump pe gussa aata hai to USA is worst for women :phehe:

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1 hour ago, beetle said:

Not surprising.

When just being born is a struggle for many girl babies.....rest is not surprising.

People prevent girl births in all classes...poor, middle class, rich. 

Shameful.

that's false

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1 hour ago, beetle said:

Not surprising.

When just being born is a struggle for many girl babies.....rest is not surprising.

People prevent girl births in all classes...poor, middle class, rich. 

Shameful.

You have presented broader view of the issue, while we were perhaps limited to the harassment only.

 

Thank you. 

 

I believe, dowry is still the main evil. If parents don't fear dowry, then they will accept the birth of a girl more easily. 

 

I believe India still tops when it comes to the practice of dowry. Laws are already there, but not showing effective results. I don't know what else should be done to improve the situation. Perhaps more practical implementation. 

 

I don't know about present situation in India, but in Pakistan too people were spending a lot of money on the marriage parties (20 to 50 different types of dishes). But then Nawaz Sharif banned it and allowed only 1 dish in the marriage. And this law was also implemented. As result, Pakistanis got a lot of relief, and each family was able to save many lakhs of Rs, as there are many marriage parties (Mangni, Mehndi, Nikah, Marriage, Walima ...). 

 

In India to, there are so many ceremonies around one marriage which last many days. I don't know how many dishes are allowed, but sure 1 dish party could help. 

 

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Female foeticide is a real problem in our country, sex ratio in some states like Punjab, Haryana, Jammu & Kashmir etc is ridiculously skewed. This warrants serious introspection in our society because this particular social evil often flies under the radar. Child marriage has somewhat been mitigated and acid attacks/rapes are on the lower side if you see the per capita stats. Even for that matter instances of dowry are reducing. The situation for women in India is indeed worrisome but worst in the world....will never buy that. 

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44 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

You have presented broader view of the issue, while we were perhaps limited to the harassment only.

 

Thank you. 

 

I believe, dowry is still the main evil. If parents don't fear dowry, then they will accept the birth of a girl more easily. 

 

I believe India still tops when it comes to the practice of dowry. Laws are already there, but not showing effective results. I don't know what else should be done to improve the situation. Perhaps more practical implementation. 

 

I don't know about present situation in India, but in Pakistan too people were spending a lot of money on the marriage parties (20 to 50 different types of dishes). But then Nawaz Sharif banned it and allowed only 1 dish in the marriage. And this law was also implemented. As result, Pakistanis got a lot of relief, and each family was able to save many lakhs of Rs, as there are many marriage parties (Mangni, Mehndi, Nikah, Marriage, Walima ...). 

 

In India to, there are so many ceremonies around one marriage which last many days. I don't know how many dishes are allowed, but sure 1 dish party could help. 

 

Not just dowry...it is the whole patriachy thing.

 

Guys are retirement plans with a service provider thrown in the form of son's wife.

The society approves and expects this from son and his wife.

 

Living with son is considered an entitlement for giving birth to son.The son's wife is expected to tale care of them in old age. It is strange that they expect service from a girl who had to leave her own parents to marry their son.

 

In these times when more and more women are working ...having a son means two paychecks for the family , directly or indirectly because once a girl is married , she is expected to devote herself exclusively to her husband's family.

 

Even now , it is not acceptable for parents to get financial support from daughters after marriage while a son is expected to continue supporting his parents and often siblings after his marriage.

 

 

The parents of only daughters have to fend for themselves in old age .

They spend their life's earnings and saving bringing up the girl, now days even educating her. When she reaches a stage when she can earn a living , they are expected to get her married of to serve and sometimes earn for husband's family  because they gave birth to a son unlike them.

 

Sometimes these marriages of daughter mean sending them off with their life times saving leaving them poor and without any support in old age.

 

So a girls parents bring up a child , educate her and send her off to serve and earn for a other family while her parents have to fend for themselves.That is the definition of 'paraya dhan'.

 

The 'paraya dhan ' is not just some words. In this country , it is true in most cases. 

 

Doesn't look like a profitable thing to do?

 

Takes a big heart to raise only daughters. Not many have such hearts ....so they want a son at any cost.

 

Now with this kind of society and its expectations, is it no wonder people want sons and not daughters. :((

 

In older days people had many kids so a few daughters in between were more acceptable. 

Now people have less kids and people want the first one to be son. If first one is son...then second one being daughter is fine.

If the first one is daughter, then there is a lot of pressure to have a son the second time .....sometimes, by any means.

 

The solution is in making dowry unacceptable socially.

 

The solution is in giving girls inheritance and making them equally responsible for taking care of their parents.

 

The solution is in making children responsible for parents and not their spouses.

 

The solution is in people living seperately because the daughter cannot take care of her parents living in her inlaws home .

 

The solution is in makings girls less burden (which they are under the circumstances if you look practically) .

 

Even the best families where girls are educated and earning ...the girls rarely get to take care of their parents either financially or physically.There are exceptions of course...like they are exceptions of some son in laws taking care of wife's parents. But these are rare exceptions to the rule.

 

 

 

Girls have to be made an asset for her birth family so that people want daughters. 

 

 

But most importantly....people have to be taught to save for retirement irrespective of the gender of their children. 

 

Don't spend your money in higher education of children, let them take loan .

 

Don't blow up your money of your childrens marriage and showing off. Let the children pay for their marriage when they can afford to pay for it...

 

Even if it means no family circus type wedding...

 

Even if it means children having more control over their lives ..

 

Even if it means no grandchildren popping out once the kids are old enough to have them.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Female foeticide is a real problem in our country, sex ratio in some states like Punjab, Haryana, Jammu & Kashmir etc is ridiculously skewed. This warrants serious introspection in our society because this particular social evil often flies under the radar. Child marriage has somewhat been mitigated and acid attacks/rapes are on the lower side if you see the per capita stats. Even for that matter instances of dowry are reducing. The situation for women in India is indeed worrisome but worst in the world....will never buy that. 

brother this is the after-effect of India going ahead with S-400 deal  with Russia. The globalists will do whatever they can to tarnish India's reputation whenever it takes an independent decision that doesn't benefit globalists. Expect more such hit jobs if India doesn't sign COMCASA. 

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35 minutes ago, beetle said:

Not just dowry...it is the whole patriachy thing.

 

Guys are retirement plans with a service provider thrown in the form of son's wife.

The society approves and expects this from son and his wife.

 

Living with son is considered an entitlement for giving birth to son.The son's wife is expected to tale care of them in old age. It is strange that they expect service from a girl who had to leave her own parents to marry their son.

 

In these times when more and more women are working ...having a son means two paychecks for the family , directly or indirectly because once a girl is married , she is expected to devote herself exclusively to her husband's family.

 

Even now , it is not acceptable for parents to get financial support from daughters after marriage while a son is expected to continue supporting his parents and often siblings after his marriage.

 

 

The parents of only daughters have to fend for themselves in old age .

They spend their life's earnings and saving bringing up the girl, now days even educating her. When she reaches a stage when she can earn a living , they are expected to get her married of to serve and sometimes earn for husband's family  because they gave birth to a son unlike them.

 

Sometimes these marriages of daughter mean sending them off with their life times saving leaving them poor and without any support in old age.

 

So a girls parents bring up a child , educate her and send her off to serve and earn for a other family while her parents have to fend for themselves.That is the definition of 'paraya dhan'.

 

The 'paraya dhan ' is not just some words. In this country , it is true in most cases. 

 

Doesn't look like a profitable thing to do?

 

Takes a big heart to raise only daughters. Not many have such hearts ....so they want a son at any cost.

 

Now with this kind of society and its expectations, is it no wonder people want sons and not daughters. :((

 

In older days people had many kids so a few daughters in between were more acceptable. 

Now people have less kids and people want the first one to be son. If first one is son...then second one being daughter is fine.

If the first one is daughter, then there is a lot of pressure to have a son the second time .....sometimes, by any means.

 

The solution is in making dowry unacceptable socially.

 

The solution is in giving girls inheritance and making them equally responsible for taking care of their parents.

 

The solution is in making children responsible for parents and not their spouses.

 

The solution is in people living seperately because the daughter cannot take care of her parents living in her inlaws home .

 

The solution is in makings girls less burden (which they are under the circumstances if you look practically) .

 

Even the best families where girls are educated and earning ...the girls rarely get to take care of their parents either financially or physically.There are exceptions of course...like they are exceptions of some son in laws taking care of wife's parents. But these are rare exceptions to the rule.

 

 

 

Girls have to be made an asset for her birth family so that people want daughters. 

 

 

But most importantly....people have to be taught to save for retirement irrespective of the gender of their children. 

 

Don't spend your money in higher education of children, let them take loan .

 

Don't blow up your money of your childrens marriage and showing off. Let the children pay for their marriage when they can afford to pay for it...

 

Even if it means no family circus type wedding...

 

Even if it means children having more control over their lives ..

 

Even if it means no grandchildren popping out once the kids are old enough to have them.

 

A beautiful piece of writing. 
If you could dream it today, then you could also achieve it tomorrow. 

I don't think considerable number of people are ready to challenge these Traditions today. 

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1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

 

A beautiful piece of writing. 
If you could dream it today, then you could also achieve it tomorrow. 

I don't think considerable number of people are ready to challenge these Traditions today. 

It is very difficult when people are actually proud and protective of these traditions and consider it a part of the culture.

It is not even black and white.

It is not like there are families that are patriarchal , regressive and others that are not.

It is pretty grey in most families.

It is in almost all families to some degrees.

Even in mine ....even though I come from a fairly progressive family.

 

Most families are mixed gender...problem happens when families don't want to be only daughters family.

Earlier people kept having kids till they got a boy. Now people have less kids and want to be sure.

 

God knows how many people are actually using unlawful means. It is criminal...so people do not accept publicly.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

that's false

Probably in case of poor because they often don't have the means and also because they usually have no social pressure to have less kids and better life style.

 

The sex ratio in delhi is worse in the richer upper class regions of delhi.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_sex_ratio

 

Worst ratio of girls/1000 boys:

 

Punjab        846

Jammu and Kashmir       862

Delhi           871

Rajasthan   888

Gujarat       890

Uttarakhand      890

Maharashtra      894

 

Why this ratio of girls is so bad in these areas? Especially why in Jammu and Kashmir? 

 

 

Best ratio of girls/1000 boys:


Arunachal Pradesh       972

Mizoram        970

Meghalaya     970

Kerala           964

Chhattisgarh    960

Sikkim      957

Tripura     957

Karnataka  948

Tamil Nadu  943

 

Southern and North/East of India seems to have the best ratio.

Why? 

 

Could we draw some better conclusion from these stats?

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Gone through some of the posts here which show concern over the fact that India is rated higher than some of the countries in ME and Africa. Most of us have not been to all of these countries in question. We have formed our opinion on them based on what we see (on TV, internet news, etc) and hear. Similarly, others form their opinion on India too 

 

We cannot say that can how India can be above x, when we are putting x above India based perception too 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_sex_ratio

 

Worst ratio of girls/1000 boys:

 

Punjab        846

Jammu and Kashmir       862

Delhi           871

Rajasthan   888

Gujarat       890

Uttarakhand      890

Maharashtra      894

 

Why this ratio of girls is so bad in these areas? Especially why in Jammu and Kashmir? 

 

 

Best ratio of girls/1000 boys:


Arunachal Pradesh       972

Mizoram        970

Meghalaya     970

Kerala           964

Chhattisgarh    960

Sikkim      957

Tripura     957

Karnataka  948

Tamil Nadu  943

 

Southern and North/East of India seems to have the best ratio.

Why? 

 

Could we draw some better conclusion from these stats?

Kerala and North East States have matrilineal societies in some of their clans, castes, tribes..in some cases it is even matriarchal. They also have higher literacy rates and better HDI parameters. I am not sure about this but there are lots of Christian missionary activities in these areas and they are quite rigid against abortion, so that too may be a contributing factor. Even culturally I guess there's a difference between South/N.E and rest of India because these regions never faced the brunt of foreign invasions due to geographical reasons..maybe there is a historical/cultural baggage as well. Also regions with higher tribal population (Chattisgarh, Odisha, N.E etc) have more balanced sex ratio because I guess tribals are more chilled out in this regard. Tribal girls constitute a part of the workforce and hence aren't seen as liabilities, also clinics which can perform sex detection tests won't be in close proximity to the tribal areas. So coming to your stats, yes you have made a succinct point about some regions doing better than others. But more needs to be done, even though South/N.E are better in this regard still there is misogyny and gender violence in those places but for the time being they are like the half blind people in the country of the blind.

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46 minutes ago, zen said:

Gone through some of the posts here which show concern over the fact that India is rated higher than some of the countries in ME and Africa. Most of us have not been to all of these countries in question. We have formed our opinion on them based on what we see (on TV, internet news, etc) and hear. Similarly, others form their opinion on India too 

 

We cannot say that can how India can be above x, when we are putting x above India based perception too 

 

 

 

 

Hence calling out such polls based on perception. The ranking should always be on data. These ideologically influenced polls are like the ones like UNESCO declaring India has the best National Anthem. Let's compare data based on per million of population and discuss. 

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51 minutes ago, zen said:

Gone through some of the posts here which show concern over the fact that India is rated higher than some of the countries in ME and Africa. Most of us have not been to all of these countries in question. We have formed our opinion on them based on what we see (on TV, internet news, etc) and hear. Similarly, others form their opinion on India too 

 

We cannot say that can how India can be above x, when we are putting x above India based perception too 

 

 

 

 

Problem is, keeping India aside, how can one take such surveys seriously when US is ranked 10!

 

I can think of half dozens countries (some I have been to) where it’s definelty much much worse than US,  from attitudes to women,to law enforcement for women, freedom

 

 

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Well, in China too number of girls is less than boys.

 

And Chinese girls are taking full advantage of this and showing lot of  "Nakhray". Boys are almost blackmailed to give them lot of gifts to win their friendship, and they approval for marriage. 

 

Hopefully Indian girls and their families also become aware of this that market value of girls has been increased, and boys have to give the dowry in order to get a yes from girls. :ahaa:

 

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10 minutes ago, chewy said:

Problem is, keeping India aside, how can one take such surveys seriously when US is ranked 10!

 

I can think of half dozens countries (some I have been to) where it’s definelty much much worse than US,  from attitudes to women,to law enforcement for women, freedom

 

 

Exactly, think of some of the countries left off the list Iran, South Africa, Brazil. In what way can the US be on the list?

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29 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Hence calling out such polls based on perception. The ranking should always be on data. These ideologically influenced polls are like the ones like UNESCO declaring India has the best National Anthem. Let's compare data based on per million of population and discuss. 

Data is not always readily available for many countries. Also reporting could be an issue. For e.g. my perception is that Pak would fare worse than India on most metrics but a lack of reliable data from Pak because of reporting issues could potentially place it in a better position relative to India's 

 

Polls are not always supposed to be scientific. It could be similar to a few experts choosing the best 11 on cricinfo :dontknow: 

 

Irrespective for its rank, the concern is that India is not one of the best places to be if you are a women 

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16 minutes ago, chewy said:

Problem is, keeping India aside, how can one take such surveys seriously when US is ranked 10!

 

I can think of half dozens countries (some I have been to) where it’s definelty much much worse than US,  from attitudes to women,to law enforcement for women, freedom

 

 

We can always dig holes in the poll but it is believed that India is not among the best places to be if you are a women.

 

And For my knowledge, which countries are you referring to and on what is your opinion based on?

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15 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Well, in China too number of girls is less than boys.

 

And Chinese girls are taking full advantage of this and showing lot of  "Nakhray". Boys are almost blackmailed to give them lot of gifts to win their friendship, and they approval for marriage. 

 

Hopefully Indian girls and their families also become aware of this that market value of girls has been increased, and boys have to give the dowry in order to get a yes from girls. :ahaa:

 

One child policy. Implement one child policy in India and sex ratio will come plummeting down even more in a couple of decades . Misogyny is a worldwide phenomenon...only Nordic countries are doing well in this regard.

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12 minutes ago, zen said:

Data is not always readily available for many countries. Also reporting could be an issue. For e.g. my perception is that Pak would fare worse than India on most metrics but a lack of reliable data from Pak because of reporting issues could potentially place it in a better position relative to India's 

 

Polls are not always supposed to be scientific. It could be similar to a few experts choosing the best 11 on cricinfo :dontknow: 

 

Irrespective for its rank, the concern is that India is not one of the best places to be if you are a women 

Polls and ranks based on perception is as unscientific as it can get. Even based on unreliable data is more scientific and logical.

 

In any case, just to focus on India we need to worry about female infanticide. The best way to tackle this is through a seismic shift in  culture. As parents don't force kids to live with you after they are married. Girls settling down with the inlaws after marriage is the one reason why girls are ignored (paraya concept). Add Dowry to the mix, parents invest more in marriage than to make the girl educated and employed. Thinking that girls are a liability is the main reason for female infanticide. 

 

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6 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Polls and ranks based on perception is as unscientific as it can get. Even based on unreliable data is more scientific and logical.

 

In any case, just to focus on India we need to worry about female infanticide. The best way to tackle this is through a seismic shift in  culture. As parents don't force kids to live with you after they are married. Girls settling down with the inlaws after marriage is the one reason why girls are ignored (paraya concept). Add Dowry to the mix, parents invest more in marriage than to make the girl educated and employed. Thinking that girls are a liability is the main reason for female infanticide. 

 

Also the crime against women need to be alleviated. Having grown up in Gujarat, where you can find women driving around without fear even after mid-night, it is sad to see that the situation in the entire Ind may not be the same 

 

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9 hours ago, beetle said:

Not surprising.

When just being born is a struggle for many girl babies.....rest is not surprising.

People prevent girl births in all classes...poor, middle class, rich. 

Shameful.

Hopefully this will get the discussion back on track. Who cares what the polls say or the UN Says, let us first acknowledge the real issues and try to discuss on what can be done to mitigate and eradicate those.

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8 hours ago, beetle said:

Probably in case of poor because they often don't have the means and also because they usually have no social pressure to have less kids and better life style.

 

The sex ratio in delhi is worse in the richer upper class regions of delhi.

Thats shocking and depressing

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3 hours ago, zen said:

Also the crime against women need to be alleviated. Having grown up in Gujarat, where you can find women driving around without fear even after mid-night, it is sad to see that the situation in the entire Ind may not be the same 

 

Not sure of this, even in USA, women can move freely after midnight in Manhattan, but not in bronx/harlem or even Chicago south side. So, can't single out India alone. Those places in USA, even men cannot walk freely past midnight. 

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