Replace MS Dhoni as ODI Skipper at Your Own Peril: Gary Kirsten

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India could be making a huge mistake by removing MS Dhoni from ODI captaincy, feels former World Cup winning coach Gary Kirsten.
Asked about whether it's about time that Virat Kohli handed over the top job in ODIs, Kirsten was non-committal. "You are not going to get an answer out of me. You replace M S Dhoni at your peril, because the one experience I have had is that all great leaders have great performances till the end of their careers," said Kirsten at a promotional event.

Kirsten said that if one is willing to let Dhoni go, one never knows if India misses out on some potential match-winning performances in 2019 World Cup in United Kingdom.

"So, if you (are) willing to let M S Dhoni go when there might potentially be a great World Cup performance left in him if he goes to the (2019) World Cup, which I am not sure if he is (taking part in) or not, you take the risk of doing that," the former South Africa cricketer said emphatically.
Terming Dhoni as a "great player", Kirsten slammed his critics, saying those doubting his ability are making a mistake.

"I think that is the question I get asked the most everytime I come to India. My answer hasn't changed in three years. That he (Dhoni) is definitely the best leader I have ever worked with. And his record for Indian cricket over the last nine-ten years speaks for itself," said the South African when asked about the debate surrounding Dhoni's future.
"There is no debating in my opinion that he is up there with India's greatest captains and certainly has produced the trophies for India in his time," added Kirsten who was India's coach when Dhoni and company lifted the World Cup in 2011.
According to the former South Africa batsman, Dhoni's record in limited overs cricket spoke for itself.

"You just have to look at his ODI batting record as well, As a finisher, it's unsurpassed in the world in terms of the position he bats in. So, if anyone is doubting his ability, I think they would be making a great mistake.
"He is a great player and all great players would continue to produce fantastic performances through their career. It's exciting to see him doing well and having success with the Indian team. I enjoyed working with him and it was a great experience for me," he added.

Kirsten spoke to media persons after overseeing a cricket camp organised by Saldhana International Academy at the Mumbai Police Gymkhana here.
Kirsten felt it should be left to the Ranchi star to decide on his future.
"There comes a time in every player when he is got to consider for himself whether he should be in the team or it's time to move. We will leave the decision up to him," he said. To a query whether Dhoni should consistently bat higher up the order as he did in the recently concluded ODI series against New Zealand when he batted at no.4, Kirsten said he was capable of batting in a lot many positions. "That discussion is going on for eight years. He does (have) an ODI batting average of over 50. He can bat in lot of different positions.

 

"When I was with the Indian team, I encouraged rotational batting order, where we batted according to the situation rather than this is your batting position today. M S was brilliant at that, he didn't mind where he batted."

"I always liked him to come in when we needed 100 runs to win because there was no one better (than him) in the world (who) could have won a game from that position, speaking from my experience. But he often liked to get up little bit earlier, so that he can have more time at the wicket and help himself to a hundred. M S Dhoni could pretty much bat anywhere in the batting order," Kirsten explained further.
On Anil Kumble's appointment as India'a head coach, Kirsten said, "One needs to really understand that coaching space and what value you can add to a group of people. Every environment can be different. Anil is a great human being and has got a fantastic value system.
"I worked little bit with him in the Indian team. He has been a great player with tremendous results. He will get natural respect from the players. It is also nice to have an Indian as the India coach.

"He has had immediate success and that is not surprising. No doubt he has all the credentials necessary for taking the team forward with Virat Kohli as the leader of the (Test( team and MS in white ball (ODI) formats."
Kirsten gave thumbs up to the DRS which BCCI has decided to use during the upcoming Test series against England after having consistently opposed it in the past.

"If they (BCCI) are going to try it, its brilliant. It is a great technology, and it's got better and better. It will be great for every Test playing country to use the technology".

 

 

gary  

only wheel chair walas deny him now

 

 

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[sourab10forever]

Bah!

[sandeep]

30 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Must really be feeling the pressure when you have to activate past associates for support in media.

Right.  Dhoni called up Gary and asked him to make this statement.  That's Pakistani style paranoia and Lahori Logic.  

[Lannister]

It's time for you to take retirement from coaching too, Gary, if that is how you approach modern Cricket. No wonder Delhi Daredevils have been mediocre under this guy. 

 

Edited November 2, 2016 by Lannister

[Muloghonto]

Gary is correct. The same attributes that makes MSD a below average captain in Tests, are the attributes that makes him a great ODI leader.

 

[Laaloo]

Dhoni is a gun ODI captain. I might not agree with him trying to take the match down to the last over but you can't help but agree that he is one of the greatest ODI captains ever. The guy delivers results in high profiled tournaments. 

[MCcricket]

For the literally n verbally challenged friends he has diplomatically stated that though he his done ignore him at your peril as there might be a last spurt from a dying flame, everyone can see that Dhoni is not even 20% of the player her is, his game was based on eye, n his reflexes have slowed down also his unorthodox game will not let him bat respectably and he looks like a very mediocre bat, he cannot even get bat to ball forget hitting or rotating strike, n is a liability

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, MCcricket said:

For the literally n verbally challenged friends he has diplomatically stated that though he his done ignore him at your peril as there might be a last spurt from a dying flame, everyone can see that Dhoni is not even 20% of the player her is, his game was based on eye, n his reflexes have slowed down also his unorthodox game will not let him bat respectably and he looks like a very mediocre bat, he cannot even get bat to ball forget hitting or rotating strike, n is a liability

Err no, he isn't.

Common fallacy in cricket, especially in the subcontinent, is 'XYZ great player is now at 20% capacity, chuck him, get new guy, he is a shell of his former self' etc. without actually considering the bottomline : is there a better player than Dhoni who's way is being blocked by the 'under-performing Dhoni' right now ? If the answer is yes, then Dhoni needs to go, if the answer is no, then Dhoni needs to stay.

And it is pretty basic deduction that fan of Dhoni or not, we are nowhere close to having an ODI wicketkeeper-batsman who can do either of these things:

a) get a 90+ strike rate at 30+ average

b) get 70-80% strike rate with 35-40+ average.

 

[Texan]

21 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Err no, he isn't.

Common fallacy in cricket, especially in the subcontinent, is 'XYZ great player is now at 20% capacity, chuck him, get new guy, he is a shell of his former self' etc. without actually considering the bottomline : is there a better player than Dhoni who's way is being blocked by the 'under-performing Dhoni' right now ? If the answer is yes, then Dhoni needs to go, if the answer is no, then Dhoni needs to stay.

And it is pretty basic deduction that fan of Dhoni or not, we are nowhere close to having an ODI wicketkeeper-batsman who can do either of these things:

a) get a 90+ strike rate at 30+ average

b) get 70-80% strike rate with 35-40+ average.

 

You will never know unless you try someone. Rishabh Pant is grooming up to be a good candidate. 

[Muloghonto]

18 minutes ago, Texan said:

You will never know unless you try someone. Rishabh Pant is grooming up to be a good candidate. 

Let him prove himself capable of  either satisfying a) or b) + 10% (domestic cricket) for one whole season before trying him. 

I don't see why anyone deserves a chance on the international team before actually doing it for a few seasons at domestic level. Atleast one whole season, preferably 2-3 seasons.

And the only good thing about Rishabh Pant right now, is that he is young. 

[Texan]

34 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Let him prove himself capable of  either satisfying a) or b) + 10% (domestic cricket) for one whole season before trying him. 

I don't see why anyone deserves a chance on the international team before actually doing it for a few seasons at domestic level. Atleast one whole season, preferably 2-3 seasons.

And the only good thing about Rishabh Pant right now, is that he is young. 

Playing domestic is not always a great idea for some players coming through the U19 ranks. In most cases I agree that domestics would be the way to go. Often players like Pant could actually regress in domestics. I don't see any harm in trying him in a few T20s. Dhoni is pretty useless these days in T20s. 

[CG]

Okay.

[gattaca]

Their is not a replacement in sight for dhoni Odis . Too many kids on this forum want him to go. 

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Err no, he isn't.

Common fallacy in cricket, especially in the subcontinent, is 'XYZ great player is now at 20% capacity, chuck him, get new guy, he is a shell of his former self' etc. without actually considering the bottomline : is there a better player than Dhoni who's way is being blocked by the 'under-performing Dhoni' right now ? If the answer is yes, then Dhoni needs to go, if the answer is no, then Dhoni needs to stay.

And it is pretty basic deduction that fan of Dhoni or not, we are nowhere close to having an ODI wicketkeeper-batsman who can do either of these things:

a) get a 90+ strike rate at 30+ average

b) get 70-80% strike rate with 35-40+ average.

 

was there a better ready replacement of Dravid, SRT, VVS, Viru?

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

was there a better ready replacement of Dravid, SRT, VVS, Viru?

Exactly......the same logic was given by many regarding a WK in test matches when Dhoni retired but Saha has been doing quite well in recent times.

 

Some one like a Samson can be easily groomed with Dhoni still in the team and Pant can be tried after CT, after he finishes one full domestic season.

 

The year after CT will be the ideal time to groom a new WK batsman, with the WC 2019  still 2 years away.

 

Grooming someone new means having a back-up  if required or the back-up can play as a pure batsman if he is good.  Dhoni can still continue if he performs really well in  CT 17.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2016 by express bowling

[G_B_]

Wonder what his angle is...guru Gary that is

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[MCcricket]

Gary is being diplomatic n if you read fine print it says ignore at your own peril he might have one great tournament left in him, so we waste two years n he could perform moderately in one game or tourney

[The Realist]

All Kirsten is doing is returning the sycophantic favour as Dhoni in the past ridiculously said Kirsten was "the best thing to happen to Indian cricket".

 

And who cares what Kirsten thinks anyway. A mediocre coach who got lucky with a once in a generation group of players with India & has failed everywhere since.

[putrevus]

7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

was there a better ready replacement of Dravid, SRT, VVS, Viru?

That is just wrong way of thinking, David Warner had almost no FC record and yet he has been so successful as Opener, so was Viru he was never thought as a test player while coming up  but when given a chance he proved so many people wrong.

 

Dravid, SRT and VVS all of them should have been dumped right after world cup 2011, same should be done to Dhoni after next years CT. You do not wait see if you have got ready made replacement, you will have some growing pains when you select a new player but when you believe in the talent in any young player you invest in that player. What FC record did Sachin have when he was selected.

[FischerTal]

you have to find some wicket-keeping replacement for dhoni and the grooming should start after CT. he will be 38 by the time the next WC arrives. you cannot expect him to be wicket keeping at that age and finishing off games and captaining an ODI side. its too much to handle at that age. ideally, he should settle at #4 position, continue as captain and try somebody like Pant or Samson as new WK for team.

Edited November 3, 2016 by FischerTal