Kohli- "Stronger sides have 2 all rounder atleast, some has 3". Here people say we dont need all rounders

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

@putrevus

@Khota

Edited January 22, 2019 by Ankit_sharma03

[velu]

we need our bowlers  to bat a bit

[Sgattick10]

We need one genuine all-rounder and one batting all-rounder. 

[Khota]

Kohli also thinks Shastri is a good coach.

Kohli is playing in a sport where there is not enough competition. He needs to wake up, watch baseball and see how things are done at next level.

Like I said he thinks Shastri is a great coach and Kumble sucks.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Kohli also thinks Shastri is a good coach.

Kohli is playing in a sport where there is not enough competition. He needs to wake up, watch baseball and see how things are done at next level.

Like I said he thinks Shastri is a great coach and Kumble sucks.

But shastri has been able to perform man management better then kumble and that part of coaching. Dont forget it was not only kohli but 10 more players who were against kumble that means he failed at man management

Why shud he watch baseball to make strategies  in cricket ?????

Its not only kohli every team plays all rounders....

 

Not enough competition - look at our bench strength n then say that

[Khota]

1 minute ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

But shastri has been able to perform man management better then kumble and that part of coaching. Dont forget it was not only kohli but 10 more players who were against kumble that means he failed at man management

Why shud he watch baseball to make strategies  in cricket ?????

Its not only kohli every team plays all rounders....

 

Not enough competition - look at our bench strength n then say that

Who are these all rounders you are talking about. If there is a Kapil Dev then I am all for it. What you call an allrounder is nothing but bits and pieces. The game has evolved and one person cannot do the role of two.

[Khota]

48 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

But shastri has been able to perform man management better then kumble and that part of coaching. Dont forget it was not only kohli but 10 more players who were against kumble that means he failed at man management

Why shud he watch baseball to make strategies  in cricket ?????

Its not only kohli every team plays all rounders....

 

Not enough competition - look at our bench strength n then say that

Man management is one of the dozen skill you need.

Others are:

Instruction

Skill developement

analysis

Staretegy

Guididng 

Tactis

Technique

Good coaches barely sleep 4 to 5 hrs during the season.

 

Shastri is none of that. An MBA can do better man management than Shastri. Let us just get someone from IIM Ahmedabad and let them do it.

Edited January 22, 2019 by Khota

[putrevus]

 
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[mention=24965]Khota[/mention]

To fit players like Pandya you need multiple players like him, like England. Having just one bits and pieces player will not work.He will upset already unbalanced team.

It works for England because they have multiple players who can share bowling load.It won’t work for India .


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[wanted_desi]

Kohli hates people. These people are reason that cricket is making money in India, hence feeding him.

Whats  the point of 3 all rounders, even when combined they can't be trusted to deliver 10 overs. 

[SUMO]

Test cricket needs bowling allrounders if not proper allrounder.

Jaddu ashwin will have more signifiacnt contribution with bat than lets say vihari with the ball.

In ODIs batting allrounders like yuvi sehwag saurav sachin worked like charm.

[Khota]

11 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

Kohli hates people. These people are reason that cricket is making money in India, hence feeding him.

Whats  the point of 3 all rounders, even when combined they can't be trusted to deliver 10 overs. 

Exactly.

[Forever Indian]

Which are these mythical stronger teams he is talking about? 

 

The two strongest teams of WI and Aus of their time never had more than one all-rounder. They either had batsmen who could bowl a bit like Symonds or bowlers who can bat a bit. 

 

Teams who actually have lots of all-rounders like SA through their peaks or England recently have only underperformed than other teams of their generation. SA has never won an ICC trophy even with likes of Klusener, McMillan, etc. England has been lingering in the middle of rankings and not won a ICC tournament for long despite last 3 ICC ODI tourneys taking place in England.

 

In contrast India with no all-rounders won their first ever test series in Aus.

[zen]

45 minutes ago, Forever Indian said:

In contrast India with no all-rounders won their first ever test series in Aus.

Correlation vs Causation .... cum hoc ergo propter hoc 

Edited January 22, 2019 by zen

[GautiMaan]

No problem with Hardik or even Shankar

Problem is Jadeja masquerading as an allrounder and totally upsetting the balance of the team.

[coffee_rules]

It didn't work for SA or Eng, who are yet to win a WC,  jacks dont win high profile games like kings do. For the WC, we need genuine players including allrounders. For nirodh and goli-soda cups, you can play your bits 'n pieces players.

[SRT100]

We need Kapil Dev back in the team.

[rkt.india]

15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

It didn't work for SA or Eng, who are yet to win a WC,  jacks dont win high profile games like kings do. For the WC, we need genuine players including allrounders. For nirodh and goli-soda cups, you can play your bits 'n pieces players.

Why do you think Aus did not have alrounder? Aus did have Symonds, Darren Lehman, Shane Watson and Ian Harvey in 2003 as the alrounders and 5th bowler.  They also had an alrounder in 2015 in Watson, James Faulkner and Mitchell Marsh in 2015.  No team plays with 5 specialist bowlers in ODIs.  You do need an alrounder. who can bat at 6-7 and bowl some overs.

Edited January 22, 2019 by rkt.india

[putrevus]

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Why do you think Aus did not have alrounder? Aus did have Symonds, Darren Lehman, Shane Watson and Ian Harvey in 2003 as the alrounders and 5th bowler.  They also had an alrounder in 2015 in Watson, James Faulkner and Mitchell Marsh in 2015.  No team plays with 5 specialist bowlers in ODIs.  You do need an alrounder. who can bat at 6-7 and bowl some overs.

You need more than one allrounder if that particular player (allrounder) is unable to complete his quote of 10 overs. Pandya adds to imbalance because he is being selected purely as bowler who has to complete his 10 overs.If Jadhav is playing then he might share his overs.

 

Watson was one of three allrounders in their team. You can't have just Pandya in the team as an allrounder, he becomes fifth bowler then.He is not good enough to bowl his 10 overs every match.

 

 

[SK_IH]

1 hour ago, GautiMaan said:

No problem with Hardik or even Shankar

Problem is Jadeja masquerading as an allrounder and totally upsetting the balance of the team.

Tbh just looked at the stats of Hardik post Aus series. He needs to pull up his socks, his numbers are ordinary, specially batting.

[rkt.india]

3 minutes ago, SK_IH said:

Tbh just looked at the stats of Hardik post Aus series. He needs to pull up his socks, his numbers are ordinary, specially batting.

because he barely got chances to bat for many overs.