Unpopular opinion- Arshdeep Singh does not have a particularly high ceiling.

[rkt.india]

32 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

I think this is a meagre assumption, not too long ago he bounced a few batsman out in the world cup by hitting the deck, he's capable of hitting the deck when he wants to. 

 

Honestly, i haven't seen him bat, agree that fielding needs improvement, but after that dropped catch in Asia Cup, he hasn't really made a glaring error in the field. Bumrah took his batting seriously and improved leaps and bounds. Maybe  Siraj, Arshdeep,  Umran etc would follow the suit and work on their batting. 

Hit the deck doesn't just mean Bowling bouncers. Here is an example of hit the deck bowling. Not bowling bouncers but hitting the deck at short of length.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/vZMaIQJxwMA?feature=share

Edited November 20, 2022 by rkt.india

[Suhaan]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Hit the deck doesn't just mean Bowling bouncers. Here is an example of hit the deck bowling. Not bowling bouncers but hitting the deck at short of length.

 

https://youtube.com/shorts/vZMaIQJxwMA?feature=share

He's hitting he deck to generate awkward bounce

[Mesky99]

58 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

I see allot of hate for Arshdeep on ICF.

Let's Analyse his bowling profile and see.

Height - 6.3" - ✓

Pace - 135 to 142 kph - ✓

Inswing to Right Hander -✓

Away Swinger to Right Hander- ✓

Slower Ball - ✓

Slower Ball Bouncer - ✓

Bouncer - ✓

Yorker - ✓

Can you please tell us what is that something you are looking for ?

 

 

 

His pace ain't 135-142kph range, he is around 132-136kph on average, he hardly gets it to swing away from the right handers, no zip of the pitch, nothing out of the ordinary, rp Singh was twice the bowler and he himself could not sustain for long.

[nitinbwj]

6 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

His pace ain't 135-142kph range, he is around 132-136kph on average, he hardly gets it to swing away from the right handers, no zip of the pitch, nothing out of the ordinary, rp Singh was twice the bowler and he himself could not sustain for long.

Death bowling and yorkers. He is the best we have atm. 

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

I think this is a meagre assumption, not too long ago he bounced a few batsman out in the world cup by hitting the deck, he's capable of hitting the deck when he wants to. 

 

 

 

I clearly stated " who cannot hit the deck hard with length balls. His bouncer is good. 

 

Go through my posts above. 

 

Different pacers have issues with different lengths. 

 

 

[Khota]

He does not have raw pace. He needs to become thinking bowler. With his height he has a huge advantage that he will not be injury prone.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

he has played in Dubai, Aus and Ind conditons and so far never seen him get smashed badly so he is doing something right. I do understand sentiment of people not rating him as a future prospect but nothing he has done so far with the ball warrants any criticism whatsoever.

 

Not a criticism but discussion about his repertoire.

 

He is doing a lot right including having a solid temperament. 

 

But pacers who cannot extract life out of pitches with length balls almost invariable end up being specific condition bowlers in the long run.

 

Can't off hand think of a single successful pacer in the long run without this ability. Even a classic swing bowler like Anderson really hits the deck hard for bounce and seam movement off length balls if there is no swing on offer and gets the ball to zip and fly through even if the release speed is 132 k.

Edited November 20, 2022 by express bowling

[Lord]

Our highest wicket taker and 3rd highest in just concluded WT20

 

Whatever he lacks, he makes up with temperament/ calm head

[putrevus]

The problem is not Arshdeep , it is other guy who opens bowling with him. with both of them in the team, it kills other fast bowling options.He is young and hope he will improve but for that to happen other guy needs to be kicked out of the team ASAP.

Edited November 20, 2022 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

He is alright. This is T20 format. You can't be consistent. Look what happened to Ferguson

[Lone Wolf]

Can't have Boobi & Arsh playing together.  I would be fine with Arshdeep but we should give up on Boobi....  His curse is everlasting & we should make peace with it. 

[Adamant]

This is not an unpopular opinion. 

Posters who really understand bowling know that he doesn't have a high ceiling. 

I have posted the same many times, his pace is 133-142 and that's in t20s,but still he can have an ok career as he moves the ball and has height. 

 

Earlier I thought he can't move the ball much but after seeing him in t20 world cup, i definitely take that back. 

 

Also, he won't play much test cricket for sure. 

[wanted_desi]

Oh Boy! There is always a thread on Arshdeep when he has a bad game. The guy was your best bowler at the biggest stage and delivered when it mattered. Who has better Ceiling? Avesh Khan? 

[G_B_]

His bowling is so so

 

But in this era of cricket he is a pure number 11 and a poor fielder. 

 

England are the best loi side cause they bat deep.

[Nikhil_cric]

Definitely not. He's not the natural athlete that Kamlesh and Shivam Mavi were in that batch. Unfortunately, they haven't transitioned the way we hoped for. 

[Pollack]

2 hours ago, wanted_desi said:

Oh Boy! There is always a thread on Arshdeep when he has a bad game. The guy was your best bowler at the biggest stage and delivered when it mattered. Who has better Ceiling? Avesh Khan? 

Umran, kuldeep Sen, Siraj, Mohsin all have higher ceiling than Arshdeep. And yes even Avesh has higher ceiling than Arshdeep. Avesh failed to execute his skills consistently.On the other hand Arshdeep has been bang on with his execution and hence his success.

[Lord]

8 minutes ago, Pollack said:

Umran, kuldeep Sen, Siraj, Mohsin all have higher ceiling than Arshdeep. And yes even Avesh has higher ceiling than Arshdeep. Avesh failed to execute his skills consistently.On the other hand Arshdeep has been bang on with his execution and hence his success.

Isn't that what we want?

 

What's the point of all the pace and tailunt if you cant execute under pressure?

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

What's the point of all the pace and tailunt if you cant execute under pressure?

 

Apart from Avesh, no other such pacer has failed to execute yet. 

[Lord]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

Apart from Avesh, no other such pacer has failed to execute yet. 

yes but why are we bashing someone who did?

 

As long as Arshdeep does what he's doing hes fine. Calmness under pressure is a rare trait. And hes only 23.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

yes but why are we bashing someone who did?

 

As long as Arshdeep does what he's doing hes fine. Calmness under pressure is a rare trait. And hes only 23.

 

 

No one is bashing him.

 

It's a discussion of the repertoire that he has and how he can improve so that his ceiling increases.

 

He is just 23 and should work on the major shortcoming.