Dravid thinks Fielding in t20 cricket is fundamentally overvalued

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

[RajBan]

Fielding is never overvalued unless somebody takes it as a sole parameter for selecting players. Hence some dumb management thinking that playing a player who is not ideal for T20 but just because he has all-round skills in Test/ODI and superb fielding skills will provide balance in T20 is completely wrong. That's the messed up thought process we are suffering from. Jadeja falls in this category even though offlate he is not too bad.

 

But yes if there is player who is superb in atleast one skill or in both and at the same time a gun fielder then it definitely helps. ABD and Ben Stokes fall in this category.

Edited January 29, 2020 by RajBan

[Global.Baba]

Scary that this guy is coaching the junior team.

 

guys like Gutpill,Jadeja and even Pandey have turned games with their fielding even though they were useless with everything else.

 

 wins because of dustbowls and army of spinners and batsmen adequate enough to chase or put a middling total 9/10 times even though they are limited 

[vvvslaxman]

I don't agree with Dravid here.  He cannot use CSK as an example. Just because Dhoni forgives bad fielding since they are old, we cannot use the same logic in international matches. Today we almost lost the match with terrible fielding. 

[Vilander]

This is backward thinking nothing foremost about this.  May be from Ipl auction perspective. For loi they should just look for guys who field well and also bowl bat with control. 

[velu]

good news for chahal

[Laaloo]

2 minutes ago, velu said:

good news for chahal

And @sandeep

[zen]

Though I appreciate Indian players for their talent, I don’t rate their ability to understand sports (as India does not have a sports oriented culture relatively speaking. People in general don’t understand sports) .... There may be a few outliers (or may have a good idea in a particular domain) but these guys are not cutting edge .... Usually, they expose themselves when they do commentary 

[ganeshran]

I think he means that fielding should not be a sole criteria for selecting a player. 

[Vilander]

Context is important, may be Dravid was speaking about IPL and earned value etc not sure if this is meant to be a fit all for International level t20i.

[prudent_kreeda]

Or is there a subtle hint what may be happening in national team , or expected to happen .. 

On what grounds Shaw could be kept out of short format ...? esp T20 . What could be objections , concerns that TM may throw at  for not including him..

Not a good fielder  isn't it . 

Point is talent wise or shot making ability wise he cannot be denied a place  and  he is much better that the one who he must be trying to replace .. 

 

[Khota]

Dumbest statement ever by Dravid. He is the coach of Indian team and makes an irresponsible statement like that. I knew he was a poor fielder himself but to devalue fielding is wrong.

[Vk1]

Dravid has a point here. 

Fielding is over valued for a proven performer.. for someone who can contribute very well and more often with his primary skill  ( Rohit , Bumrah etc )

Fielding is mandatory for the average ones like Jadeja, Jadhav, Pandey, Chahal etc.. as their primary skill itself isn't enough to get selected. 

Edited January 29, 2020 by Vk1

[The Realist]

But one could argue that off-field skills like massaging are also over-valued under the current regime.

 

Indeed in some cases they seem to be the only criterion behind certain selections. 

[Global.Baba]

7 minutes ago, The Realist said:

But one could argue that off-field skills like massaging are also over-valued under the current regime.

 

Indeed in some cases they seem to be the only criterion behind certain selections. 

[Vickydev]

9 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Dravid has a point here. 

Fielding is over valued for a proven performer.. for someone who can contribute very well and more often with his primary skill  ( Rohit , Bumrah etc )

Fielding is mandatory for the average ones like Jadeja, Jadhav, Pandey, Chahal etc.. as their primary skill itself isn't enough to get selected. 

Exactly. The Kohli criteria for selection based on fitness never applied on Chris Gayle . Because whatever runs his replacement would save, Gayle could take just one ball to make up. Even you see now, likes of Kuldeep, Bumrah may leak runs on the field but will make it up with wickets. But yes catching is the key here, that is non negotiable as the text suggests.

This is a shrewd way of team selection rather than a perfect one. You basically need some very good boundary riders and the rest you can hide in the inner circle provided they are decent catchers and can heavily contribute in their primary skill.

[Stan AF]

Catches win matches.

 

Bad Fielding loses matches.

[vvvslaxman]

Does Rahul Dravid still think that way? 5 catches dropped. 6 or 7 run out chances missed. 

[cowboysfan]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

Does Rahul Dravid still think that way? 5 catches dropped. 6 or 7 run out chances missed. 

watching highlights,these are basic batches they dropped.running back and forward should not be a problem for an international cricketer,maybe the needed Jonty as their coach.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, cowboysfan said:

watching highlights,these are basic batches they dropped.running back and forward should not be a problem for an international cricketer,maybe the needed Jonty as their coach.

One of the worst fielding performance. Just when they can't get any lower. Ironically it is one piece of brilliant fielding that brought India back into the contest. Kohli's relay direct hit. But overall our fielding was atrocious.  They were like 2 feet away from stumps still couldn't hit directly.