Is ICF wrong and Virat right?

[sage]

Look at what the "dynamic" ballistic style batting resulted in for England. All out for 251, couldn't even complete a 5 RPO chase in the last 25 overs.

 

Meanwhile India's foundation setting, cautious, approach before letting loose at the end when a worst case scenario is eliminated will result in consistent, 300+ totals that always have the prospect of being defended

Edited March 23, 2021 by sage

[sage]

India's 39/0 (10 overs) template has proven victorious vs new-fangled Western ideas

[Forward Defence]

The worst thing we did today is lose wickets and choke between overs 33 to 41. Both templates are valid in their own ways. It takes a Roy and Bairstow to go at 9 an over in the first 15. Similarly it takes a Kohli to guide the ship through the middle overs to create a launching platform for the big hitters. England still have the better batting lineup overall but on challenging pitches their method may not work everytime. In batting slugfests our template will also fall short.

[Ankit_sharma03]

lets bump this thread after 2023 Wc 

[jalebi_bhai]

He acknowledged they were aiming for 340-350. 

 

Question is, can he convince Rohit-Dhawan to be more proactive? We got away with the score again.

[SK_IH]

It was impossible because the pitch in the morning was seaming & swinging & they had to play proper cricket. Otherwise they would have smashed 80 in first 10 overs

[Majestic]

Virat is always right. That is why he is a GOAT Asian captain with 36 test wins and will surpass Graeme Smith's win tally before receiving a farewell from BCCI and become the most successful test captain in 150 years of test cricket history ahead of Graeme Smith, Clive Lloyd and Steve Waugh.

Edited March 23, 2021 by Majestic

[Sooda]

India simply don't have the depth and number of power hitters to score the way that England do,  we need to stop expecting it. 

 

As he pointed out, if he and Dhawan hung around till around 40 th over .. with KL and Pandyas to come, 350 was attainable. That's the way we can get to 350+.. 

 

Our middle and lower middle order is still shakier.

[dilliboy]

England missed root to guide them through the chase.. Would have been a cakewalk otherwise. Morgan is hopelessly out of form 

[jalebi_bhai]

2 minutes ago, Sooda said:

India simply don't have the depth and number of power hitters to score the way that England do,  we need to stop expecting it. 

 

 

That excuse was valid in 2015 when we had Rahane at 4. When you have Rahul at 5 with Hardik, Jaddu/Krunal, Sundar and Shardul to follow, it doesn't hold much water.

 

What is the point of extending the batting line up till 9 if you don't have faith in your lower order's ability to contribute with the bat?

[zen]

An in-form and full strength Eng team can be unstoppable ... it is not about winning battles but wars!

[Ravi_Shastri]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

Virat is always right. That is why he is a GOAT Asian captain with 36 test wins and will surpass Graeme Smith's win tally before receiving a farewell from BCCI and become the most successful test captain in 150 years of test cricket history ahead of Graeme Smith, Clive Lloyd and Steve Waugh.

Mamoon is here 

[Ravi_Shastri]

1 hour ago, zen said:

An in-form and full strength Eng team can be unstoppable ... it is not about winning battles but wars!

It's not necessary to lose battles in order to win warsm

[zen]

1 minute ago, Ravi_Shastri said:

It's not necessary to lose battles in order to win warsm

 

The point is on focusing on the bigger picture ... if one is gaining in short term but not likely to go farther in the long run, the need to be more strategic 

[Ravi_Shastri]

Just now, zen said:

 

The point is on focusing on the bigger picture ... if one is gaining in short term but not likely to go farther in the long run, the need to be more strategic 

Natarajan in T20is against Australia.

Gill, Siraj , Sundar and Axar in Tests.

SKY, Kishan and Krunal here against England in white ball cricket.

Now prasidh.

Lot of people are getting chances now. 

Things are looking up

[Sean Bradley]

Ghanta Right, England are World Champions for a reason, England were all set to chase this down in 45 overs, they will succeed more often than they fail, Morgan's poor form and injury had an affect over them, Butler's decision could have gone either way, Bairstow threw away his wicket, and our bowlers bowled really well, Our approach is outdated, We got out of hole today, but it won't happen always. 

Edited March 23, 2021 by Sean Bradley

[putrevus]

England make merry on flat lifeless pitches, once pitches have something for bowlers, their batting lineup become very suspect. Today nothing was there in pitch foor bowler but special performance from the debutant fast bowler who showed great character after being belted so many runs in first spell.

 

[putrevus]

2 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

That excuse was valid in 2015 when we had Rahane at 4. When you have Rahul at 5 with Hardik, Jaddu/Krunal, Sundar and Shardul to follow, it doesn't hold much water.

 

What is the point of extending the batting line up till 9 if you don't have faith in your lower order's ability to contribute with the bat?

Yes , they need to be more expansive in their games. But remember they have been carrying this team forever so it is adjustment for them too for change their approach. If middle order continues to chip in then they will have no other option but go fast upfront.

[Nikhil_cric]

Kohli admitted that 317 was below par. Cautious approach was because it was not conducive to such strokeplay  

[goose]

England template wins tournament finals especially if batting first. Catching up is never guaranteed.